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tomstir
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From: San Jose CA USA
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posted 05-17-2002 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tomstir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a noisy lifter on my 260. Do they just get dirt stuck inside which doesn't allow them to pump up or do they wear out? I took off the valve covers and was horrified at what I saw...looked like small rocks!!!! It seems to go away every once in a while for a very short time and then return. I spoke to the previous owner and he said it did that when he owned it too. I saw some products at the local automotive store that claimed to fix noisy lifters. Does anyone have any experience with these or other products? What about putting in ATF? Or do I just buy new lifters and use that as an excuse to put on the old 4v intake that I have had in the rafters for years? Any suggestions? The tic tic tic is really starting to bug me!!!!

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Clark
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posted 05-17-2002 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tomstir,
If you want to fix this right you will need to go in for a lifter change. From what you are seeing, there could be alot of junk floating around the engine. It might even be a good time to drop the oil pan and check your oil pump pickup screen.

The thing I would do is take a look at the overall engine. Is it burning oil, how is the compression, is the oil pressure good, etc.. This could be a good opportunity for some other maintenance while you are there.

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RICKS
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posted 05-17-2002 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RICKS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For a temporary fix, a little ATF actually will sometimes do the trick. It kept my '69 Mach quite for a year until I finally got around to doing the full mechanical, engine compartment & undercarriage restoration of the car.

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dubstar
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From: Long Beach, Ca 1966 A-Code Coupe
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posted 05-19-2002 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whats ATF? i have bad lifters too.. but im planning on getting a new engine within 12 months. so i dont want to get new ones put in. unless its cheap.. how much does that run?

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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-19-2002 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Automatic Transmission Fluid

tomstir, have you tried simply doing a valve adjustment? I wonder if you've got a rocker stud nut backed off some...

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Red_69Mach1
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From: Northridge, CA
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posted 05-20-2002 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Red_69Mach1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
V8 thumper is correct definately check your rocker arm studs, just a couple days ago my stang was making a lot of "tic-tic" sounds and I thought I had a bad lifter. Well I took of my valve cover and to my shock, my rocker arm stud nuts have nearly come all the way off. It only took a couple minutes to tighten them bad down.

Anyways definately check the rocker arm studs and good luck.

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dubstar
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From: Long Beach, Ca 1966 A-Code Coupe
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posted 05-20-2002 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dubstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. take the valve covers off
2. tighten anything and everything down
3. replace valve covers
4. see if problem is solved

am i correct in the procedure order?

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tomstir
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posted 05-20-2002 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tomstir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the responses. The engine does not seem to be burning any oil. It has been very reliable. Runs pretty well. I have already done a valve adjustment..no luck. My plan is not to sink any money into this engine. I have two more projects in front of this one..I just couldn't pass up this deal. I was looking for a fix without the need to pull the intake...Just and excuse for the intake swap I guess . Depending on how bad it looks under the intake I might pull the oil pan and have a look as well. What is the story with the ATF? I always thought that you would put in one quart, run the engine until warm/hot (this would then free the lifter), change oil/filter and put in 100 percent motor oil. Ricks--could you explain the "little ATF" phrase. Was it a one time deal or a continuous upkeep?

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RICKS
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posted 05-20-2002 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RICKS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can safely add up to a quart of ATF...and leave it there until you're ready to do a routine oil change. At least that's my understanding. ATF is really all about detergent. Marvel Mystery Oil also can be used in the same manner. Alot of shops "back in the day" would use one quart of ATF with 4 quarts of oil as standard procedure for oil changes. My mechanic says he's taken apart motors that had a history of that "routine", and they were always clean as a whistle inside with no apparent ill-effects. So I think you could use ATF or Mystery Oil without worry (although the gravel you found would make me worry!). In my Mach, I only had to add barely a pint and the lifter cleaned right up. Just add a little at a time as she idles warm. If you get the entire quart in, and no improvement, still let her idle for 10-15 minutes. If nothing happens still, well...then it's not likely wanting to free-up using this trick.

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tomstir
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posted 05-22-2002 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tomstir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the answer. I will probably try that this weekend.

Tomstir

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-22-2002 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always suspected Marvel Mystery Oil and ATF was the same stuff.

Tom, to answer your original question, lifters usually get stuck due to the varnish that builds up inside them. When I was young and poor I use to pull the lifters out, disassemble them and wash them with carb cleaner, then reassemble them and they'd run as good as new.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-22-2002 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I've always suspected Marvel Mystery Oil and ATF was the same stuff.



It makes a good air tool oil as well

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