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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-15-2002 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been waffling back and forth, but I've decided to get my Mach painted before I put my new engine in.

That way the engine compartment can get a good blast of paint without the engine in there. Mike and I should be able to stab that engine and tranny in there with surgical precision.

The truth of the matter is that I'm sick of looking at the Mach with it's crappy kmart spraybomb paintjob it sports now. It's kind of undignified for the noble old girl.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

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skips69
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posted 05-15-2002 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Steve, now that you are to the painting stage, I was wondering how your new fender fit for the 70'. I replaced my driver's side fender about 4 years ago with a reproduction from another popular parts vendor and was terribly dissapointed in the fit. I had to use shims in places Ford never intended to get the lines and gaps to look decent. The worst part was the hours I had to spend to make my front fender extension go on. The hole on the front of the fender was too small for the outer headlight bucket to fit in ( and recess properly), so I had to keep trying it, cut away some metal, etc, etc. The holes to mount the fender extension were in the wrong place, so I had to re-drill 3 new ones as well. It was doomed from the start. I had a week's vacation planned and all the prep work was done on the body except little details. It should have been an easy week, then I received a 68' Fender instead of the 69' I ordered. They wouldn't give me credit for it until I had returned it, so I had to order another 69' Fender to get this car painted in the few days I had left. Then the crappy re-pop finally was received and I had to do all the work I mentioned above. It looks ok now, but it was very trying to get this done and not rushed. So, your fender was from NPD (mine from elsewhere) and it is for another year, just curious how the fit was and if you ordered something other than what I refer to as reproduction. Mine was definately Taiwanese. Hope it all goes well for you, keep us posted with some fresh photos as you go.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 05-15-2002 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The fender I got from NPD was a Ford fender, thankfully. I think one of the last ones they had, if I'm not mistaken. {?} It is nice. My right fender will be straighten out, after I get the 3" thick paint off it.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip

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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-15-2002 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I struggled with the same decision. I went ahead and had my car painted prior to drivetrain installation (which still hasen't happened yet ). After stripping and sanding the engine compartment down to metal, the finished product is perfect.

I stripped the car of all chrome and trim, even removed the fenders. Re-assembling it is a big-time pucker , but so far (knock-knock), no accidents/catastrophes. Now, every procedure I do on or around the car is slowwwww. It's turning out absolutely drop-dead gorgeous; I say your proposed sequence is well worth it, providing you're not in a big hurry.

I didn't have the big bucks to restore the car all at once, but time and patientce I do have

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The Buckmaster
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posted 05-15-2002 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Buckmaster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a good plan.It just takes patience and some helpers to set in in carefully.

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-15-2002 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to paint first and engine later. It's the right way to do it. With a few helpers,lot of panel protection, the engine install isn't that big a deal. The engine can be freshened, out of car, little details like under the master cylinder down in the corner that are unreacable, Correct detailing of steering box and suspension, cleaning all lines and harnesses, etc and you'll crown yourself Kings of the Restorers!
If no one else notices, you will!! If everything is done prior to paint, keeping it clean is a breeze. IMNSHO.

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wvcat
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posted 05-15-2002 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wvcat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just finished a 69 roadrunner for my brother in law and we pulled the motor, sandblasted the engine bay, and repainted it with the basecaot clear coat(body color - charger red)then we reinstalled the motor. Next we pulled the doors and trunklid and painted the underside/inside and reinstalled all the panels and adjusted them. Then we finished the bodywork and final blocking before painting the rest of the car. It came out sweet!!! I made a page with pics if interested:
http://www.geocities.com/wvxr7cougar1/index.html
I just started on wvcat(70 cougar) this evening and the I have to do a swap I'm painting a friends 69 cougar vert for a 68 cougar. then I'm taking the rest of the summer off and maybe next winter I'll do the wife 66 mustang. Does it ever end....lol
The only tip I can give you is if you paint the engine compartment first mask everything off under there before painting or you will have overspray from the topside when you paint it.
Good Luck
John
wvcat

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http://www.geocities.com/wvxr7cougar/wvcat_01.html?989286238390

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mustangboy
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posted 05-17-2002 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangboy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would definetly paint the car first.I had my car painted last year and although the body shop covered the engine bay from the top I think the paint must have rolled up from underneath.Totally ruined my nicely detailed engine compartment with overspray.Now I have to pull engine and start over and try not to get engine bay paint on the fenders.GRRRRRRRRR

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Paul Leonard
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posted 05-17-2002 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Leonard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was leaning the other way up until recently, I had planned to get my mechanicals in great shape first, but have decided to go the same way. Of course, it doesn't help that the paint shop I have been waiting on for the last 8 months is now available and waiting for it. They will be comming with a truck to pick it up on the 1st of the month!!! Paul

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-17-2002 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, before sending the car for a complete, I take the doors, fenders headlight buckets, and paint the back side, backs of fenders, front jambs, etc. in color than reassemble for final paint. I cover the backs of headlight buckets, to eliminate paint blowing in., etc. These are areas that cannot be done without taking off first. The REAL guys paint the stuff off the car if it's not metallic. Too real for me! LOL!

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V8 Thumper
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posted 05-18-2002 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
The REAL guys paint the stuff off the car if it's not metallic. Too real for me! LOL!

Why is that?

I had these painted off of the car: valances, fenders, headlight buckets, hood, (top and underside); everything from the firewall forward got the individual treatment. Color is Silversmoke Grey, I don't think it gets much more metallic than that...

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mellowyellow
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posted 05-18-2002 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could be. High metallics, like the new champagnes, silvers, silver blues, etc CAN take on a different cast when sprayed individually. Not saying your car did, only going by what I've seen and been told. I saw a silver Stingray Vette painted that way and it looked OK in one direction, and like a checkerboard in another. Again, only going by what I've seen. One reason why I never want metallics. Often, I believe when a car has a panel repair, the painter blends it into the next panel. Maybe Buckmaster can lend an opinion.

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