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Topic: 65-68 horns the same?
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1272
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 03-07-2002 06:32 AM
   
Sorry -- it's me, Osborn's, and the ol' parts number / assembly number thing again  I've been tracking e-bay for a set of horns and almost all the auctions are for "65, 66, 67, 68 horns". There was one set recently that said they were from a '68, but they were too pricey. Anyhow, according to Osborn's, in '68 horns had a C7Z assembly number, meaning that some change came about in '67. But these days I am getting a little wary about Osborn's and its numbering. Does anyone know for sure? Were horns the same from 65 to 68?
Thanks as always!
Simon
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skips69
Gearhead Posts: 187
From: Catlin, IL USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03-07-2002 07:27 AM
65-66 are the same, but are different from 67-68. The horns themselves are quite different looking for 65-66, have more of a flair at the opening in my opinion. The brackets are definately different and this is where the biggest changes are for the different body styles.
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68 S-code GT
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From: Sayreville, NJ, US
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 03-07-2002 08:59 AM
Also 67-68 AC and non-AC are different.
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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-07-2002 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
But these days I am getting a little wary about Osborn's and its numbering.
Keep in mind that those are reprints of Ford's own documents. ------------------
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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 5456
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-07-2002 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by 68 S-code GT:
Also 67-68 AC and non-AC are different.
Yes they are!! And hard to come by.Finally located one at a swap meet. The left front one is the different one.
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1272
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 03-07-2002 09:55 AM
Thanks guys! Cleared that one up. Steve, my comment about Osborn's relates specifically to ASSEMBLY numbers, not parts numbers. A while back, I asked here about the difference between 67 and 68 tail light buckets, because the assembly numbers are different. So far, I've had the buckets off one 67, one early 68 and one late 68 under the microscope, and to my untrained eye they are identical. I also have trouble spotting the differences in 67 and 68 sun visor assemblies, but I haven't subjected them to the same scrutiny as the tail light buckets. See also my recent post about coat hooks. Osborn's has most of its coat hook pics with them positioned in front of the seat belt attachments, but so far everyone who's posted here says they have them behind. I guess this all adds to the charm of restoration 
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 5456
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-07-2002 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
Thanks guys! Cleared that one up. Steve, my comment about Osborn's relates specifically to ASSEMBLY numbers, not parts numbers. A while back, I asked here about the difference between 67 and 68 tail light buckets, because the assembly numbers are different. So far, I've had the buckets off one 67, one early 68 and one late 68 under the microscope, and to my untrained eye they are identical. I also have trouble spotting the differences in 67 and 68 sun visor assemblies, but I haven't subjected them to the same scrutiny as the tail light buckets. See also my recent post about coat hooks. Osborn's has most of its coat hook pics with them positioned in front of the seat belt attachments, but so far everyone who's posted here says they have them behind. I guess this all adds to the charm of restoration
Simon: Wasn't the question about guarter panel extensions??? I remember that thread. Tailight bucket assy's are the same, I think.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 30097
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: May 99
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posted 03-07-2002 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Fastback68:
Steve, my comment about Osborn's relates specifically to ASSEMBLY numbers, not parts numbers.
I know. My point is still the same. ALL the numbers come from Ford's own documents. That's all I was saying. There are so many changes made during production even the manufaturers can't keep them straight. If you think that's bad, start playing with mopars or international harvesters.  On a IH Scout I got stuck working on, I had to order six different axles before we found the right one. The parts guy said that was an everyday thing. ------------------
'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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Fastback68
Gearhead Posts: 1272
From: Sucat, Paranaque, Philippines
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posted 03-07-2002 07:02 PM
Mellow, yeah, I cut my teeth on the extensions, but that was telling the difference between coupe and FB ones, not 67 to 68, and people told me they were different so I bowed to their wisdom. But the tail light buckets remains my special case. Osborn's has a new assembly number for '68, but for the life of me I can't distinguish them from '67s.
Steve, you're right, of course, which is why Osborn's are such important things to have. I didn't mean I don't trust them, but I know that the '68 manuals don't reflect reality for all '68 cars, simply because of the practicalities of building cars, the strike, mid-year changes, etc. Also, assembly numbers (and sometimes parts numbers) that don't actually appear on the parts can be a problem.
I need more time and larger sample sizes to make any better conclusions than that, but I'll get back to you all. What happened to the MCA judges on M&M? Didn't we have a few once?
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