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HHuggins Gearhead Posts: 103 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Registered: Feb 2001	posted 03-07-2002 02:24 AM Another ebay funny - a "rare" Mach I with a vinyl roof?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809540531&r=0&t=0 ------------------ _ _____________________ _ Harley D. Huggins II Laguna Niguel, CA 1970 Mach I 1998 GT Convertible www.geocities.com/hh_machi/ IP: Logged
70SportsRoof Gearhead Posts: 351 From: Scottsdale, AZ, In the hot hot Valley of the Sun Registered: Dec 2001	posted 03-07-2002 04:03 AM Saw that Mach the other day there on eBay. A little over priced if you ask me. But I have seen another Mach I with a vinyl roof. It was a Playboy Pink '69 Mach I, with black vinyl roof. I believe when I read the article a few years ago it was in Washington. Something that it was a giveaway for some promtotion. The roof looked just like the '70 for auction. The vinyl roof on the '69 was factory installed, they had the paperwork to back it up. Maybe this '70 could be a rare car to get a vinyl roof, or maybe it's an aftermarket part. ------------------ 1970 Deluxe SportsRoof (63B),'66 fastback 289-4 spd(going to a new home),(2)46 Ford trucks, 47 Ford truck, 57 Ford Fairlane 500 4dr, '72 Olds Vista Cruiser(up for sale soon), '88 Bronco II(for sale)...running out of room, selling some of my projects IP: Logged
68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 521 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000	posted 03-07-2002 08:57 AM I have one like this on my fast back, but could never verify if it was factory, dealer or after thought. I started to back track the ownership of the car but ran into a dead end at two owners before me! I guess the 70s were good for him (brain dead), he barely remembered owning the car. There is a red 67 fastback with a white vinyl top in the very beginning of the movie Car Wash that looks like this also. I also found a set for a 69-70 at a swap once, still got there here somewhere. quote: Originally posted by 70SportsRoof: The vinyl roof on the '69 was factory installed, they had the paperwork to back it up. Maybe this '70 could be a rare car to get a vinyl roof, or maybe it's an aftermarket part. ------------------ 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB 68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC 99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55 IP: Logged
71RESTO Gearhead Posts: 888 From: Oregon, USA Registered: Oct 2000	posted 03-07-2002 09:09 AM Hey 70sportsroof, That pink '69 you mention is indeed in Washington. I have seen it in person several times and talked to the owner and yes indeed he does have all the paperwork to back up the fact it is a factory install. So, I'm guessing there are other's out there. ------------------ Duane 71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto) 73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed) 66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's) 89 LX 2.3 convertible (daughter Amanda's) M & M Member #730 IP: Logged
johnmustang Gearhead Posts: 1727 From: Vancouver Island , British Columbia , Canada Registered: Nov 2001	posted 03-07-2002 09:20 AM This new to me , have never seen or heard of a mach I with a vinyl roof. I am still learning , thanks once again to the M&M teachers This car looks pretty good JOHN ------------------ 65 2+2 FASTBACK 68 COUPE 87 TAURUS WAGON 98 F150 XLT TRITON V8 4.6, 4 WHEEL DRIVE Member:Vancouver Island Mustang Association M&M #1710 MyPhotoPage MY TRUCK IP: Logged
ccode67 Gearhead Posts: 955 From: douglasville,ga,usa Registered: Mar 2001	posted 03-07-2002 09:41 AM quote: Originally posted by 68 S-code GT: I have one like this on my fast back, but could never verify if it was factory, dealer or after thought. I started to back track the ownership of the car but ran into a dead end at two owners before me! I guess the 70s were good for him (brain dead), he barely remembered owning the car. There is a red 67 fastback with a white vinyl top in the very beginning of the movie Car Wash that looks like this also. I also found a set for a 69-70 at a swap once, still got there here somewhere. This is weird, my cousin has an S-code 68 fastback, he was telling us the body shop called him to come and see what they found, it was the holes in the body for the vinyl top trim, we told him he was full of sh**, that fastbacks NEVER had vinyl roofs, maybe we were wrong.This is the only time I've heard of anyone else having a vinyl top on a fastback. ------------------ Stuart MCA #48902 M&M #1091 67 stang 5 speed, soon to be 351W 91 f-150 xlt 98 explorer xlt sohc v-6 IP: Logged
Hemikiller Gearhead Posts: 136 From: Clinton, CT Registered: Feb 2002	posted 03-07-2002 12:39 PM Here's where the rule of thumb "RARE does not necessarily mean DESIRABLE" comes in.... It was the 60's, anything was possible... FYI.. Never trust a person who wears jeans, white socks, and loafers........ IP: Logged
fordnmerc Gearhead Posts: 196 From: Watkins Glen, NY USA Registered: Mar 2002	posted 03-07-2002 05:32 PM This is a very interesting topic. Marti Auto Works, which has the whole database for Ford products from 1967 through 1973, lists the following, in the book "Mustang by the Numbers": Factory Vinyl Roofs in Fastbacks 1973 8050 1972 866 1971 150 1970 no listing 1969 no listing 1968 0 1967 0 Think I will e-mail Kevin Marti and see what he has to say. I remember reading in one of the Mustang magazines back in the late 80s or early 90s of a 67 or 68 Fastback with a vinyl roof and I believe there was some documentation with it. I will let everyone know what Kevin says, when he gets back to me. ------------------ David IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 24286 From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Registered: May 99	posted 03-07-2002 05:53 PM Troy used to have a '69 Sportsroof with a vinyl roof. There were actually two types, a full vinyl roof, and a semi-vinyl roof. I have pics of both types somewhere. ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 An optimist thinks that this is the best possible world. A pessimist fears that this is true. IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 13182 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 03-07-2002 06:14 PM I have some 69.5 dealer literature which shows the vinyl top options. A friend in high school got an "S" code light blue 4 -speed 69 Mach for graduation. It had a factory installed black vinyl top. This was in June of 1970 and it was a LEFT OVER 69. Three things were against that car. 1) It's color was "looser blue". 2) It was a 390 when everyone who wanted a big block wanted a 428. 3) It was soooo ugly with that top. End result was incredible as he was accepted to MIT (he was very smart) and as an additional reward his parents paid for a dealer installation of a brand new 427-425 "R" code dual quad engine. Funny thing was that the dealer installed it with exhaust manifolds and an OEM "H" pipe. CJ or 390 manifolds do not fit 427 heads. We of course being as "smart as we were", immediately pitched the manifolds and "H" pipe with corresponding transverse exhaust system. Headers and thrush header mufflers were the replacements. (dumb, dumb, dumb!) ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
fordnmerc Gearhead Posts: 196 From: Watkins Glen, NY USA Registered: Mar 2002	posted 03-07-2002 10:06 PM Kevin Marti got back to me and he is thus far convinced that there were NO FACTORY vinyl roofs on fastbacks prior to 1971. It is his opinion that any in existence were installed by the dealers. He would like to be shown any concrete evidence that some were actually done right at the factory. What about this 'dealer literature' that was mentioned? Does that show what the dealer could order on a car direct from the factory, or what the dealer could install after the fact? Does anyone have the VIN of a car that they believe is a factory original vinyl roof-equipped fastback of 1970 or earlier? Then it could be checked against the records in the Ford database, to see what shows up on the production report. Could someone contact the seller of the white 1970 Mach One on eBay and ask for the car's VIN? (I can't register on eBay, because I don't use credit/debit cards and will be leaving AOL in about a month, and switching to Juno. For that provider, eBay demands a credit card for i.d.) Kevin Marti claims there are no errors/omissions in the Ford database, or at least that he has not encountered any yet. (He did not make any comment about my mentioning that there were NO listings for the vinyl roof option on ANY 69 and 70 cars in his book.) My goal is not to seek to discredit either Kevin or the Ford database. I would like to help establish a definitive answer as to whether there really were any factory vinyl roof-equipped fastbacks built prior to 1971. Because, I can't help envisioning the following scenario: Someone finding one, that could be brought back from the dead, but believing that it is not original and letting it go to the crusher. Genuine rarity should be preserved for posterity. If anyone believes they have solid evidence to support the idea of factory-installed vinyl roofs on pre-1971 fastbacks, let's assemble the info and send it to Kevin Marti. He says that he is very much interested to see it. Maybe we can help to clear up one of the cloudier issues in Mustang history. ------------------ David IP: Logged
mustangs68 Moderator Posts: 14326 From: Hampton,Virginia,USA 1968 Fastback & 1995 Vert MCA#39406 M&M #12 Registered: May 99	posted 03-07-2002 11:46 PM For what it's worth, In late 69 I was loking for a new car. I ran across a '69 Sportroof at the Local Mercury Dealers Used Car lot..it was ugly Yellow with the black vinyl roof. I opted for the new '69 Mach I at the Ford dealer they had left in stock. sam IP: Logged
Moneymaker Administrator Posts: 13182 From: Lyons, IL, USA Registered: May 99	posted 03-08-2002 12:07 AM I will see if I can succesfully scan the 69.5 dealer supliment that I have. ------------------ Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator/ non 65-66 Mustang owner sensitivity co-ordinator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member NHRA and IHRA SS/LA National Record Holder '00, '01, & '02 Fleet of FoMoCo products including 88 ASC McLaren Mustang #28 Part time secret agent license #0089 US Class Nationals link IP: Logged
TomP Gearhead Posts: 4055 From: Delta BC Canada Registered: Dec 99	posted 03-08-2002 02:26 AM quote: Originally posted by 71RESTO: That pink '69 you mention.....and yes indeed he does have all the paperwork ... HE? Do "he" and pink cars go together? Dealers will do anything... taste takes a backseat to profits. A dealer i used to work at in the early 80's had 4x4 trucks with whitewalls and wire hubcaps They had whitewalls put on TRX wheels (ground them into stock the Michelin tires)on Mustang Cobras. A vinyl roof detracts from the lines of a fastback big time. Theres a reason they never offered Continetal kits, fender skirts and hood ornaments on Mustangs IP: Logged
kwazykat Moderator Posts: 5594 From: ...a wonderful place to be.... orange county... NC!!!! M&M member #92 .... a blue-oval GRRL-deluxe..... Registered: Jun 99	posted 03-08-2002 07:08 AM quote: Originally posted by TomP: ....Do "he" and pink cars go together? nevermind. i was going to comment on how silly it is for people to be concerned about other people and THEIR choices.... and passing judgements... and airing prejudices in a public forum ... but i figured it was wasted breath..... so.... um.... nevermind.... kaylin [This message has been edited by kwazykat (edited 03-08-2002).] IP: Logged
68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 521 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000	posted 03-10-2002 11:00 AM My Kevin Marie report has no mention of the vinyl roof so I assumed it was a dealer or aftermarket item. quote: Originally posted by fordnmerc: Does anyone have the VIN of a car that they believe is a factory original vinyl roof-equipped fastback of 1970 or earlier? Then it could be checked against the records in the Ford database, to see what shows up on the production report. If you want the number I'll email it to you. IP: Logged
TY Journeyman Posts: 2 From: Camp Verde Az U.S.A. Registered: Mar 2002	posted 03-10-2002 11:08 AM I just bought a 68 fastback with a vinal top. I like it! I am missing the left side crome but all the rest is there. I would like to see any others. Have a nice day quote: Originally posted by 68 S-code GT: I have one like this on my fast back, but could never verify if it was factory, dealer or after thought. I started to back track the ownership of the car but ran into a dead end at two owners before me! I guess the 70s were good for him (brain dead), he barely remembered owning the car. There is a red 67 fastback with a white vinyl top in the very beginning of the movie Car Wash that looks like this also. I also found a set for a 69-70 at a swap once, still got there here somewhere. IP: Logged
DidgeyTrucker Gearhead Posts: 760 From: Nashville, TN USA Registered: Oct 99	posted 03-10-2002 10:11 PM Many many years ago I found in a junkyard a '68 or '69 Torino fastback with a vinyl roof!!! Tracy IP: Logged
T5owner Gearhead Posts: 522 From: Germany Registered: Apr 2000	posted 03-11-2002 01:07 AM We have a red 68 with a black Vynil top over here in our club. G?nter Heckmann is the owner and he intially wanted to remove it, if I remember corretly. Here comes a pic. [This message has been edited by T5owner (edited 03-11-2002).] IP: Logged
dubstar Gearhead Posts: 218 From: Long Beach, Ca 1966 Coupe RestoMod Registered: Feb 2002	posted 03-11-2002 01:43 AM vinyl tops rule! i know this, because i have a 66 vinyl coupe ------------------ I'll never doubt my '66 again. IP: Logged
dubstar Gearhead Posts: 218 From: Long Beach, Ca 1966 Coupe RestoMod Registered: Feb 2002	posted 03-11-2002 01:51 AM hey, FORDnMERC.... VIN: 0R05M164869 heres a link to it ------------------ I'll never doubt my '66 again. [This message has been edited by dubstar (edited 03-11-2002).] IP: Logged
68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 521 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000	posted 03-11-2002 07:17 AM I emailed the guy in the auction and this is what I got from him. "No docs on roof - it is not a factory option. I hope that helps!" IP: Logged
68 S-code GT Gearhead Posts: 521 From: Sayreville, NJ, US Registered: Mar 2000	posted 03-11-2002 07:19 AM I don?t have a web site to post the pictures but I?ll try to scan some and email them to you! quote: Originally posted by TY: I just bought a 68 fastback with a vinal top. I like it! I am missing the left side crome but all the rest is there. I would like to see any others. Have a nice day IP: Logged
fordnmerc Gearhead Posts: 196 From: Watkins Glen, NY USA Registered: Mar 2002	posted 03-11-2002 08:13 AM Ty and T5 Owner: What are your VINs? Yes, I had emailed the seller of the 70 Mach One on eBay and he got back to me with that same info. So that is one that can be ruled out as far as being factory vinyl roof. On a personal note, I just received the Marti report for the 73 Gran Torino Brougham 4 door that I bought. First item on the option list is a white vinyl roof. But it is missing from my car and the guy I bought it from made no mention of it. GRRRRRR!!! I have not had the car delivered to me yet. He said he would trailer it up from Virginia for me whenever I want. I have been waiting for the weather here to stabilize. I have sent an e-mail to him. A new white vinyl roof is going to be installed, one way or the other, or there is going to be an *** in a sling and it ain't gonna be mine! ------------------ David IP: Logged
jkilroy Gearhead Posts: 1546 From: Vicksburg, MS Registered: Dec 99	posted 03-13-2002 09:49 AM The 68 prior to my current car was a fastback that had a vinyl roof on it. I can't tell you if it was factory or not. The car was a red fastback with a black top, 289, 4spd. ------------------ Jay Kilroy 68' Fastback GT 390 "No such thing as a cam thats too big" IP: Logged
Ryan Wilke Gearhead Posts: 733 From: Stanton, Michigan Registered: Oct 2000	posted 03-13-2002 12:12 PM If these vinyl-topped '68 & '69 fastback Mustangs had their Vtops installed at some local dealer, how did they come up with the aluminum, stainless-steel or chrome trim around the bottom? Doesn't it seem reasonable that this trim would have to be obtained thru FoMoCo.....and why would they manufacture such trim if the vinyl top wasn't offered from the factory? Ryan IP: Logged
mellowyellow Gearhead Posts: 4608 From: So. Fl. Registered: Aug 2000	posted 03-13-2002 12:49 PM Kevin Marti's Book "Mustangs By The Numbers" kists all the options for 67-8 and the number of units with the options. Under Vinyl roof, as it's referred to, The fastback for each year gets a zero! IP: Logged
RagTop Journeyman Posts: 18 From: Pleasanton, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2001	posted 03-18-2002 06:57 PM Does anyone besides me remember the flower patterned vinyl tops of the late 60's and early 70's? Or was I just smoking something and imagined it all? IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 24286 From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Registered: May 99	posted 03-18-2002 07:03 PM They were on mopars, weren't they? Like Dodge Darts and the like. ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 IP: Logged
mustangs68 Moderator Posts: 14326 From: Hampton,Virginia,USA 1968 Fastback & 1995 Vert MCA#39406 M&M #12 Registered: May 99	posted 03-18-2002 10:03 PM Yes Steve that was a Mopar thang' sam IP: Logged
RICKS Gearhead Posts: 151 From: Ocala, FL Registered: Mar 2001	posted 03-19-2002 09:05 AM We've got stuffed away (somewhere), complete in the original Ford box, an accessory vinyl top kit for early Mustang coupes that has a western motif pattern, complete with a pair of landau bars! I can't recall what the installation sheets with it actually "named" this vinyl roof, but you've just got to laugh when you see it. One of my Dad's friends bought the kit from a garage sale in the Dearborn area, ex-Ford employee. It's one of those obscure-rare N.O.S. "did you know" type of things that everybody would ooh and ahh over, but would never actually consider installing it which makes it quite a worthless oddity! IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 24286 From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Registered: May 99	posted 03-19-2002 09:11 AM I have pics somewhere of a SN-95 with a plaid convertible top! ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. -- Mark Twain IP: Logged
RICKS Gearhead Posts: 151 From: Ocala, FL Registered: Mar 2001	posted 03-19-2002 10:56 AM I've seen that in person. Actually, it's not a top at all. It's like a slip cover that goes over your convertible top you can take on and off at your leisure, and drive while installed. A slick idea, and you wouldn't believe all the different nutty patterns she's got available. IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 24286 From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Registered: May 99	posted 03-19-2002 11:56 AM Many different patterns, huh? That's a scary thought! By the way, Rick, would you know where to get a good fitting vinyl roof for my brother's '72 Torino formal roof? ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. -- Mark Twain IP: Logged
RICKS Gearhead Posts: 151 From: Ocala, FL Registered: Mar 2001	posted 03-19-2002 04:28 PM Call 1-800-432-0452 and see if they do the Torino. IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 24286 From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Registered: May 99	posted 03-19-2002 05:12 PM Thanks, Rick. ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. -- Mark Twain IP: Logged
MLariviere Moderator Posts: 2538 From: Biddeford,Me.USA Registered: May 99	posted 03-19-2002 08:25 PM Thanks,Rick! IP: Logged
T5owner Gearhead Posts: 522 From: Germany Registered: Apr 2000	posted 04-24-2002 02:47 PM One more to report. Trying to get the VIN. A 428CJ 69 9F03Q... IP: Logged
mellowyellow Gearhead Posts: 4608 From: So. Fl. Registered: Aug 2000	posted 04-24-2002 03:13 PM When vinyl roofs were the rage, late 60's early 70's, many dealers would "cap" a used car with a V top. Guys went around to the lots, detailing, engine clean up, spotting in, headliners, and V tops. The better ones had mouldings and rolls of Plastic mouldings that could be custom trimmed-and some of it looked factory to the outsider. They had houndstooth, plaids, etc and it was pretty ugly to me but beauty, ughhh!, was in the eye (with bad taste!) of the beholder! LOL! IP: Logged
Slow65Stang Journeyman Posts: 95 From: Reading, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2002	posted 04-25-2002 07:39 PM Yeah Ford and the Ford Dealers did some crazy things in the 60's and 70's. And yes they did make fender skirts for the mustang. I saw a pair at Ford @ Carlisle last year. $325 for em and ugly as SIN. IP: Logged
SteveLaRiviere Administrator Posts: 24286 From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150 Registered: May 99	posted 04-25-2002 08:06 PM I'm glad I hate fender skirts. I saved $325, right there! ------------------ '70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open '72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok '94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip MCA Member # 47773 *The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you got it made.* IP: Logged
AKBOSSMAN Gearhead Posts: 2766 From: WASILLA , AK USA M&M #743 MCA #40857 Registered: Oct 2000	posted 04-26-2002 03:41 PM How about that lighted grill corral or the horse show bumper gaurds??? ------------------ WAYNE CURTIS 70 GRABBER GREEN BOSS 302No fake scoops here! 01 Sangria Red Focus ZX3 Going Solo II ! 03 Boss 302 (5.0)[/b] (waiting on order form) 92 SHELBY 4X4 (K-9 IDITAROD LEAD DOG) My old '71Torino GT "If your under control then your not going fast enough" Parnelli Jones IP: Logged
T5owner Gearhead Posts: 522 From: Germany Registered: Apr 2000	posted 04-27-2002 02:59 PM quote: Originally posted by AKBOSSMAN: How about that lighted grill corral or the horse show bumper gaurds??? Topped by the Ponytail IP: Logged
70SportsRoof Gearhead Posts: 351 From: Scottsdale, AZ, In the hot hot Valley of the Sun Registered: Dec 2001	posted 04-27-2002 03:08 PM Has anybody heard of the old aftermarket horn the makes a horse whiney sound, that'll go great witht he lighted corral and horse shoe bumper gaurds. ------------------ 1970 Deluxe SportsRoof (63B),(2)46 Ford trucks, 47 Ford truck, 57 Ford Fairlane 500 4dr, '72 Olds Vista Cruiser(for sale), '88 Bronco II(for sale)...running out of room, selling some of my projects IP: Logged