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MidLifCrisis
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posted 01-25-2002 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had asked if anyone knew the performance differences between the K code Hi-Po cast exhaust manifolds versus steel tube headers.
...since no one responded I am going to offer the answer. I also want to get closer to a gearhead rating .
I found a back issue of Mustang & Ford magazine- Oct '99 and it featured a 347 stroker build up. They dyno'd the engine after the build up with both headers and manifolds. The manifolds lost an average of approx 10% total HP. So instead of 367hp it delivered something like 332hp. The article did state that with exhaust pipes added to the manifolds, that Hp was estimated to increase about 10 more due to better scavenging or beneficial backpressure.
Just wanted to enlighten the masses. Thanks, Charlie

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-26-2002 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to know.

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kcode
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posted 01-26-2002 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Charlie,
Also note, it was on a 347 stroker, and better than average heads. If you were to compare that on a stock 289, you would not see the same % difference. Hipo headers are better than stock, but not as good as tri-Y's, which aren't as good a long 4 tubes at high RPM. All of them have their advantages. One big avdantage of the cast Hipo's is that they will last the life of the car, where around here you either repaint or replace long tube headers every couple of years.

Mike

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-27-2002 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the time being am going to use the K manifolds on my EFI deal.{I have them} They suggest shorty headers because of fitting problems with the AOD, etc. I wonder how much better the JBA shorties over the K's??

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MidLifCrisis
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posted 01-27-2002 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mellowyellow:
I wonder how much better the JBA shorties over the K's??[/B]

Mellowyellow, The article I saw only tested long tube headers and the cast-iron K's. I have read where the long tube headers increase low-end torque better than the shorties, but a lot of 5.0 motors use the shorties with much success. If I was building a streetmonster or something other than a retro car, I definately would use tubular headers with a ceramic or Jet-hot coating to make it last. I guess the long or short tube depends on the rest of the engine components and where you want your power curve. Charlie

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-30-2002 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry that I missed the question the first time around. By the way, shorties will offer a neglegible increase over the HIPO manifolds.

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-30-2002 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kinda what I was thinkin. Not a Header scientist, but the design didn't look THAT good. They are not the equal length style-those wrap around like 4 worms in a foursome!

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kcode
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posted 01-30-2002 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Four worms in a foresome, sounds like a man of experience. I alway had my concerns about those South Flordia people

Mike-one on one in Kentucky

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69maverick
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posted 02-07-2002 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm about to put my new 351w heads with 51cc cambers on with the Comp cam I got from Alex. I have a new set of 5.0 stock headers.
They will fit perfect but are they worth it or just go with a set of tri-y's I'm not looking to get every last HP out of it. just run strong! 5-10 hp in my opinion won't mean much to me just to rip around town!If I were racing I would want it all!!

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kcode
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posted 02-07-2002 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim,
When you say "new stock 5.0 headers" do you mean the stock kind that look like they were formed in a bench vise with a ball peen hammer with all of the sharp kinks, dents, and bends. Ford issue on a 90-93 5.0? Go with the Tri-Ys

Mike

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69maverick
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posted 02-08-2002 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Mike they do look like they were formed in a bench vise with a ball peen hammer with all of the sharp kinks, dents, and bends. Ford issue on a 90-93 5.0!

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posted 02-11-2002 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, they are better than "STOCK" 289-302 exhaust manifolds.

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Alex Denysenko
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69maverick
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posted 02-12-2002 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex I guess my question would be this. I own the late model factory headers,Someone gave them to me. I don't care about spending the small amout it would cost to go with tri-y's But these STOCK headers would be a real easy fit so is it worth the gain to buy the Tri-y's??

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-12-2002 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YES! Absolutly! The Tri_y's are worth it in terms of HP gain. The 5.0 headers are worth maybe a dime over stock and the Tri_Y's are worth a quarter for sure over stock.

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69maverick
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posted 02-12-2002 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once again a happy customer!! Thanks alex! Gotta go call summit! You don't sell headers do you?

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