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stretracer19
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posted 02-14-2002 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stretracer19   Click Here to Email stretracer19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey guys can any one help me out will an fmx tranny hold up under a built engine making between 400-500 hp and does anyone make a shift kit for it i can't seem to find one

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Dave Gibson
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posted 02-14-2002 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will be happier with a built C-6 than an FMX slush box. Just my opinion.

Dave & Terri

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stretracer19
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posted 02-14-2002 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stretracer19   Click Here to Email stretracer19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well what i really want is a stick i was thinking of a tremec TKO 2 but can't aford it right now i was kinda hoping it'll just hold up long enough for me to get the money together

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-14-2002 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TransGo sells shift kits for them:
http://www.txchange.com/sk.htm

The FMX in my '72 has seen lots of abuse, and the FMX in my '70 appears to be original.

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-14-2002 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Best way to make a FMX hold up behind 400 to 500 HP is to replace it with a JPT C-4.

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stretracer19
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posted 02-14-2002 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stretracer19   Click Here to Email stretracer19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
like i said i only want it to last long enough to get a stick but i have seen fmx's behind police interceptor 460 big blocks which i know still isn't making anywhere close to my power but it still should be pretty strong

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-14-2002 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FMX and 460 PI??? Not in my lifetime. All C-6's from the factory with HD trans coolers my friend.

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Clark
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posted 02-14-2002 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clark   Click Here to Email Clark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put a shift kit in it if you want and it will hold up to the HP. I have a kit in mine and no complaints. The C6 and FMX are very similar except for the cast iron mid section. Save up for the tranny you want when its time for a rebuild.

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Rustang1
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posted 02-14-2002 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang1   Click Here to Email Rustang1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got 3 of those boat anchors laying around that I can't get rid of!

How did the FMX come into being? Did it evolve from the 2 speed from the early 60's? And besides the weight, why are they such a terrible transmission?

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70SportsRoof
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posted 02-14-2002 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've never had a problem with the FMX in my '70. It has held up well to a lot of abuse that I have put it through. I do have a shift kit in mine though, and I'll be adding a trans cooler this summer when I get ready to tear the car down for it's restoration/modification.
I've heard that the FMX is a version of the old Ford-O-Matics from the late 50's.

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Moneymaker
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posted 02-14-2002 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, OK, history lesson time.
FoMoCo did not have a 3 speed automatic in the 50's so they had to buy HYDRO's from GM for their premium cars like Lincolns. SO did other car companies like Studebaker, Packard, Nash, etc. There was obviously a market out there for a "universal" three speed automatic. Borg Warner saw that need and developed a universal cast iron 3 speed that could be bolted up to a multitude of bell housings like a stick trans. Hence, the FMX was born although called a T something by Borg Warner. It was evolved into a weaker aluminum unit also for use behind six cylnders and used by AMC throught the late 70's. Borg Warner sold a ton of them to everyone and eventurally FoMoCo bought up the tooling and began to produce them. They were a cheap workhorse trans for FoMoCo many years. The performance market never caught on to them as they were never a good basis for racing. Very heavy and a poor fluid circuit. By 1966 the C-4 and C-6 was out and was well on their way to dominating FoMoCo's auto trans needs.

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70SportsRoof
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posted 02-14-2002 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ford didn't have a true 3 speed in the '50's, but something like it. The way their early auto trannys shifted was a 2-3 shift. They would start out in 2nd gear, but by doing a little shift on the column you could get them to start out in first gear, so you'd have a 1-2-3 shift. They never started in 1st automatically, but would end at 1st when you came to a stop. The only reason I know this is from some old timers. I have tried this on my '57 Ford with a 312 and Ford-O-Matic, but found it's too much trouble to do all the time.

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joe
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posted 02-14-2002 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love these history lessons.

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Rustang
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posted 02-14-2002 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rustang   Click Here to Email Rustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Proff!
I knew Alex would come through on that question!
One comment...I hope I didn't offend Sportsroof on calling the FMX terrible, I meant to say that it has a terrible reputation. I really don't ever recall anybody really having problems with their FMX's, it's just that it's always been treated like an ugly stepchild and I never fully understood why.

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70SportsRoof
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posted 02-14-2002 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No offense taken Rustang. I've heard a lot of people saying the FMX's aren't the best trans Ford had. I agree, it isn't the best, I just want everybody to know that it isn't that bad as most people make it sound. A C-6 is better, in fact I'm going to use a C-6 in my '46 truck when I drop in the 429. No offense taken Rustang

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bluetech
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posted 02-15-2002 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluetech   Click Here to Email bluetech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by stretracer19:
right now i was kinda hoping it'll just hold up long enough for me to get the money together


Please tell me if I'm wrong about this. I think that as long as you don't put that 400-500hp on your FMX, it will hold on just fine. The way I understand it is that you just want to hold on till you get enough money to replace that FMX. So just use the car w/out going overboard on the FMX limitations(w/c it has) and I think you'll be fine. I think the amount of hp you deliver or channel to your FMX will largely depend on you. Even if you have a 1000hp engine doesn't matter if you don't decide to use it. Am I right along these lines guys?

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ccode67
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posted 02-15-2002 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The right foot is directly connected to broken parts.

Hey if you need a spare FMX let me know, free if you pay shipping, hernia not included.

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posted 02-15-2002 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FMX can last indefinatly as long as you drive it normally and use a cooler.

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stretracer19
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posted 02-15-2002 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stretracer19   Click Here to Email stretracer19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's the problem i got a heavy right foot and it don't take much to get me into race especially if it's to show up one of the riceboys

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70SportsRoof
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posted 02-15-2002 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70SportsRoof   Click Here to Email 70SportsRoof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've never had any problem doing a little street racing with my FMX. Of course I don't have a big block in my car, just a mildly built 351W, but the thing pulls hard and has never let me down. But, like I said, maybe I've just been lucky.

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1970 Deluxe SportsRoof (63B), my new toy a '66 fastback 289-4 spd,(2)46 Ford trucks, 47 Ford truck, 57 Ford Fairlane 500 4dr, '72 Olds Vista Cruiser, '88 Bronco II...you can never have too many cars

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