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MASTIFF
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From: maumee, Ohio 43537
Registered: May 2001

posted 01-31-2002 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MASTIFF   Click Here to Email MASTIFF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is a silly question, but I never installed an intake with a valley pan. I have a 351C-4V and I was wondering if you put gasket sealer on both sides, one side, or no sides of the turkey pan?

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kid vishus
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From: middle of NC
Registered: Oct 2000

posted 01-31-2002 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My opinion, throw it away and get a 4 piece gasket set from fel-pro. I hate those da**ed pan style gaskets.

Sorry, guess I wasnt much help.

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Daniel Jones
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posted 01-31-2002 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Jones   Click Here to Email Daniel Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The pan protects the oil from splashing on the hot exhaust crossover port.
Use it unless you've blocked off the port or have an intake without a
crossover passage (Holley Strip Dominator, for one). The rubber intake
manifold gasket end seals can be troublesome, especially if the heads
and/or intake have been milled. Many builders toss the rubber seals and
just lay down a bead of RTV but I don't like that as I've seen too many
engines with RTV bits clogging up pushrod holes and oil pick ups. I
prefer to buy or make my own end seals from cork. I peen the block rails
with a punch so the gasket won't squeeze out while it's being torqued down.
BTW, this also works well on valve cover gaskets. Use Permatex 300 (the
black stuf I thinkit's called Permatex Aviaton Form-a-Gasket now) or a
contact cement to hold the gaskets in place. Don't use RTV except in the
corners of the end rails and even there I prefer using the red/brown
(hardeneing) Permatex. If you're using the turkey pan, apply a thin layer
of the black Permatex around the ports of the pan. Allow the Permatex to
get tacky before installing. Using long guide on the 4 center (the
vertical ones) will help guide the manifold into place.

Dan Jones

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craigber
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From: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 02-01-2002 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for craigber   Click Here to Email craigber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

i've done my intake gaskets so many times using just gaskets, just valley, valley and gaskets, etc. i found blocking the crossover lousy as it took forever for warmup...eventually used Aviation gasket maker (brown stuff) just a thin coat on both sides of valley pan...used rubber end seals and used cut off bolts to help guide pan. go slow in torquing the intake bolts and with Edelbrock intake, keep checking the bolts over the next week or so...hope this helps...

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Craigber
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MASTIFF
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From: maumee, Ohio 43537
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posted 02-01-2002 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MASTIFF   Click Here to Email MASTIFF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep it helps alot. Thanks Dan and craig.

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skips69
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From: Catlin, IL USA
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 02-01-2002 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for skips69   Click Here to Email skips69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used Blue RTV on both sides of the pan. No problems for 2 years and counting.

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drof84
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From: gillette
Registered: May 2006

posted 05-08-2006 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for drof84   Click Here to Email drof84     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by craigber:
Hi,

i've done my intake gaskets so many times using just gaskets, just valley, valley and gaskets, etc. i found blocking the crossover lousy as it took forever for warmup...eventually used Aviation gasket maker (brown stuff) just a thin coat on both sides of valley pan...used rubber end seals and used cut off bolts to help guide pan. go slow in torquing the intake bolts and with Edelbrock intake, keep checking the bolts over the next week or so...hope this helps...


i just put a 351w in my truck and i put edelbrock intake and carb on it. I did not put the valley pan on. when i shift gears i have a puff of white smoke coming out of the exhaust the question is could my problem with the white smoke be from not puting the valley pan on

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Scott H
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From: Chicago area
Registered: Mar 2005

posted 05-08-2006 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott H   Click Here to Email Scott H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by drof84:
i just put a 351w in my truck and i put edelbrock intake and carb on it. I did not put the valley pan on. when i shift gears i have a puff of white smoke coming out of the exhaust the question is could my problem with the white smoke be from not puting the valley pan on

Cleveland 351's use the valley pan, Windsor 351's do not.

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drof84
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From: gillette
Registered: May 2006

posted 05-08-2006 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drof84   Click Here to Email drof84     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott H:
Cleveland 351's use the valley pan, Windsor 351's do not.


I got the white smoke problem fixed. it was the pcv valve. I also have a different question. I hooked a vac gauge to the intake and found that it runs about 15,16 hg. my elevation is around 5000 ft. The instructions for the gauge says the every 1000 foot above sea level you will drop 1 point on your gauge. so does this reading sound ok to you or do you think that i have some bad rings

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