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cynot65
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posted 01-28-2002 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cynot65   Click Here to Email cynot65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Finally got the front springs off. (A nightmare of epic proportions). So I started on the steering parts and I had a few problems along the way and I need some help. First of all. I can not get the PS cylinder off from the center steering link. You know, where the ball stud attaches to the steering link. I have put it in the vise and was banging on the steering link and nothing. Next comes the Idler arm that is attached to the steering box. You know that Ball stud that attaches right behind the control valve? well the stud stayed attached to the ider arm. Also though the conrol arms came out very nicely, I did notice that the rubber boot that covers the studs are completly shot and I was told that I have to replace the whole shebang. Both inner and outer amd the sleeve too. Is that true? I sure could use some help on this one gang.
Tony C*

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-29-2002 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can not get the PS cylinder off from the center steering link. You know, where the ball stud attaches to the steering link. I have put it in the vise and was banging on the steering link and nothing.

You need either a tool called a 'pickle fork' which is a chisel shaped like a U at the end, or a 'ball joint press' which fits over the joint like C clamp. You can also bring it to a machine shop and have them press it off.

Next comes the Idler arm that is attached to the steering box. You know that Ball stud that attaches right behind the control valve? well the stud stayed attached to the ider arm.

Same as above, but that's the pittman arm. The idler arm attaches to the frame on the opposite side.

Also though the conrol arms came out very nicely, I did notice that the rubber boot that covers the studs are completly shot and I was told that I have to replace the whole shebang. Both inner and outer amd the sleeve too. Is that true?[/QUOTE]

No, if your upper control arms are in good shape otherwise, you can replace the control arm bushings with kits available from NPD or Mustangs Plus.

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cynot65
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posted 01-29-2002 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cynot65   Click Here to Email cynot65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Big Guy, Thanks for correcting me on the Pittman arm. I knew it but after a full day off being up to my a** in mustang I slipped. I tried the "pickle fork" to no avail. I'll try a machine shop. As far as the one still attached to the pittman arm should I remove the pittman first and then try or do it while it's still on the box? Thanks for the advice about the control arms. I believe they're in good shape so I'll look into the two catalogues you mentioned.
Thganks again
Tony C*

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-29-2002 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For the Pittman arm, I'd do it on the car. Go rent a ball joint press, {it's cheap} and I bet that will pop it loose.

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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cynot65
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posted 01-29-2002 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cynot65   Click Here to Email cynot65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would a NAPA or a PEP boys have one of those?
Tony C*

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-29-2002 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup.

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC

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Moneypit
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posted 01-30-2002 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneypit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sure sounds to me like you are talking about the tie rods (inner, outer and adjusting sleeve) and not the control arms (upper and lower). Can you clarify?

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cynot65
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posted 01-30-2002 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cynot65   Click Here to Email cynot65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said to the Big Guy, Moneypit you are right I was talking about the tie rods and the center steering link. With so many different things going on on my car and spending so many hours on it I have been a little confused when posting.
I haven't gotten to the ball stud that's still on the pittman arm and I realized today that I made a major f**k up with the Power steering cylinder and I will be asking questions about what to do with that very soon.
Tony C*


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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-30-2002 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In that case, you can't rebuild the tie rod ends, only replace them. The boots are available though, at your local parts place under the 'Help' line of parts. Of course if you get new tie rods, they'll come with new boots.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC

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JT
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posted 01-30-2002 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was replacing the control valve in my '68 I had the stud stay in the pitman arm. I got it out by clamping a pair of Vise Grips onto the the bottom (ball end) of the stud and tapping (beating) on it with a hammer.

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cynot65
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posted 02-02-2002 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cynot65   Click Here to Email cynot65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried looking for a ball joint press and I wasn't able to rent one so I bought another "picklefork" with a smaller opening and was able to bang it off with that. As far as the tie-rods are concerned I did find a kit in Mustangs Plus that I'm going to order. My new problem involves the control valve. I'm not so sure that I have the ability to rebuild it myself. I've been told that they're very tricky. Is it better to have it done by someone more experienced? or can a "rookie" do it. I need an upper control arm too. Can you believe the idiot that had this car before me WELDED the bolts to one of the control arms!!! I got one of the spring seats off with no problem and went to do the other one and found that mess. Well another $$$ka-ching$$$.
Tony C*

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JT
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posted 02-02-2002 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried rebuilding the control valve myself. It lasted about a week before it started leaking worse than ever. I then purchased a rebuilt one from Auto Zone and (knock on wood) that one is working fine.

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