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SundanceKid
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posted 01-13-2002 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About a year ago I bought a fiberglass front valance to be used with the front bumper. The fit is so-so, I can "make" it fit but I am now wondering If I could metal form a metal valance to look the same? Has anyone done this before? Were the Hert/Shelby valances metal or fiberglass?

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kcode
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posted 01-13-2002 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The stock Shelby/Hertz were Ford issue steel, exactly the same as used on a 65-66 Mustang. The R-model valances, with the cut out in the center for improved cooling were fiberglass.

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-13-2002 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonder why the aftermarket isn't stamping steel ones out?

Thanks for the info.

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The Iceman
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posted 01-13-2002 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Iceman   Click Here to Email The Iceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you know Im sure you could find a decent stock front valance (steel) from a junkyard and then just cut the hole like the Shelby R apron -- itd fit for sure and still have the same look, plus itd be totally custom
just a thought
Heck I could look in my local Stang-only junkyard if you like, hes got 5 or 6 65's (i think the '66 valance would work too, correct?)
have a good one, let me know

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DidgeyTrucker
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posted 01-13-2002 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DidgeyTrucker   Click Here to Email DidgeyTrucker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
Wonder why the aftermarket isn't stamping steel ones out?

They are. Stock valences, that is. The '65 and '66 are the same. The R-model valence sticks out as far as the bumper and could be made of metal if you are handy at fabrication. There's not enough market to justify making the dies for that.

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kcode
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posted 01-13-2002 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Tracy, my past experience in die design, the cost to design and build a draw die to make the R-model apron from steel would be prohibitive for such a small market.

Mike

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-14-2002 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may be hokey but...a friend of mine, on his 66, cut out an area the size of a license plate in his valance. Taking a nice chrome frame- he 'framed' a piece of black painted expanded metal lath, put a 68 Mustang script in the center, and mounted it. Behind, is a tranny cooler. I suppose you should have a larger area for a cooler but after seeing it, thought it was a good idea. On my 68, am going to see if I can frame an opening with 66 grille mouldings cut down. The 68 mouldings seems too deep.

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Stang28965
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posted 01-14-2002 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stang28965   Click Here to Email Stang28965     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is taken from this months mustangs and fast fords mag...

"the folks at cobra Automotive have done lots of extra work to make the best Shelby-Style R-Model front apron avaliable for '65-'66 Mustangs. The "exact fit" front apron or valance panel features functional brake ducts, a super-smooth finish, and requires no body work or custom fitting."
http://www.cobraautomotive.com

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AKBOSSMAN
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posted 01-14-2002 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AKBOSSMAN   Click Here to Email AKBOSSMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK I was once like you!
I recieved a Bumper "R" valance for Christmas from a friend. I took off the undamaged factory one and the thing didn't even look close. I called the vendor (Branda) and they had not had a problem before (sure I thought). So I started measuring things and when the steel one was on the fiberglass one was the right size. So I called said friend and had him help. I used small clamps and some small plyer type clamps and slowly it came togather for a great fit. so grasshopper take your time it will fit . Get some clamps and a helper and relax. I'll post some pics on my site in a couple days and repost here so you can see them.
Mine was from www.cobranda.com

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MidLifCrisis
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posted 01-14-2002 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MidLifCrisis   Click Here to Email MidLifCrisis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have done exactly what you want. I took a stock valance and painted black the license plate area to the desired shape. Then cut it out with sheetmetal snips. Using a piece of cardboard I made a pattern to line the opening toward the radiator. Then cut 20gauge sheetmetal to the pattern adding tabs to spot weld behind the valance, before mig-welding the seam. I would use 24gauge metal next time. It is lighter and easier to work. The metal can be hand formed to the contures of the opening. It turned out great, for an novice attempt. Good luck and don't be afraid to expand your horizons. Charlie

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-14-2002 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The repro valances are cheap enough I could buy one of them if I didn't want to mess up my original one, Iceman thanks though.

The one I have I actualy recieved free so I can't complain....well I did complain and I got the valance for free...long story.

The brackets on the fiberglass don't even come close to matching the fenders the holes for the bumper brackets arent big enough even after some serious enlarging! the center scoop hit my lower radiator support so I trimmed it so that I wouldn't have a 3" gap between my fender and the too small brackets on the valance! It fits, but needs a little tweaking and I need to fiberglass what they (Maer Racing) didn't do. Basicly it looks like they pulled it from the form too quick and it sagged and warped!

I just thought it would be neat to make a metal one and have people ask if it was a factory one?

Thanks for your input as always.

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AKBOSSMAN
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posted 01-15-2002 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AKBOSSMAN   Click Here to Email AKBOSSMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here you go
after the bolts are in

and painted with car (Prarie Bronze)

note no F-O-R-D letters or hood chrome. also custom grill and gravel shield is cut to match

With pony and coral in see my rear lovers?

I was going to cut the bumber and cap it but didn't get a chance. Hope these help

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-15-2002 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That came out very good!

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-15-2002 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YEEESSS, it did come out nice! Cutting the bumper and capping it would be neat...kinda like a split bumper (dare I say) Camaro. That was the fiberglass one right? the problem I am haveing is the inner recess of the valance won't go above the lower radiator support or if it does the bottom of the valance is to high then. I cut the recess short so now it ends at the middle of the lower radiator support. I am hopefully going to buy some scrap 65 mesh from Joyce (HIPO&MORE) and use it for the valance.

Let me bounce this off ya guys while I'm at it. What do you think if I stripped the paint off the mesh and left it natural aluminum?

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SundanceKid
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posted 01-15-2002 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the pics!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-15-2002 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SundanceKid:
Let me bounce this off ya guys while I'm at it. What do you think if I stripped the paint off the mesh and left it natural aluminum?

That would look good. Maybe clearcoat it to prevent corrosion.

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC

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