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Poppy
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posted 01-12-2002 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poppy   Click Here to Email Poppy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an orginal 55,000 mile 65. While it is a rust free Calif.car I have begun to notice a couple of tiny quarter size rust marks under the front grating,being orginal paint the area is becoming very thin and I was wondering if anyone has suggestions on stopping it and coating that area to stop further spreading. I know there is very little acsess to the area.Thanks for the suggestions.
Ken

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PonyDoc
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posted 01-13-2002 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PonyDoc   Click Here to Email PonyDoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wal-Mart! Get a can of Rust Convertor. It comes as a spray or paint and works really well to comvert rust and protect it from rusting any more. It's great for inside things where you can't get a brush. You can also see if the plastic tube from a brake cleaner can will fit, and get into the real small areas.

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mustangs68
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posted 01-13-2002 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(I'm being a SartA**)
Best thing to do to Mustang Cowl Vents is pour Concrete in them..

But jump on that rust ASAP and get control of it quick.

sam

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pony boy
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posted 01-13-2002 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pony boy   Click Here to Email pony boy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi What I usually do is first blow it out in there and then (This may be more involved then what you are looking to do) But I take out the drivers side vent and the heater box(While the heater box is out I put in new seals and a new heater core,unless it's already been done).Anyhow once they are out of the way I take a plastic paint brush and bend it with heat,you can then reach up through the openings and coat.Another thing I do in addtition to going from underneath is I take a small plastic funnel and bend down the end so it will fit through the cowl grill.I then dump my rust paint (Corroless from eastwood is what I like these days.)into the funnel,it runs into the cowl area.Once I've done that I take a hand blow gun with a length of brake line on it and at very low pressure (to avoid blowing all over you and the outside of you car)I blow the paint around.I've done this many times and it works great.I hope this helps,good luck.

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Poppy
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posted 01-14-2002 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poppy   Click Here to Email Poppy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys,some interesting ideas.Being I do not have major rust problems in there I am going to Wal Mart!Let you know how it works outI love the funnel idea.Great to know help is a click away.
Poppy

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-14-2002 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it's a car you really care about, I'd be more inclined to take the cowl panel off and give it a real close look.

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I65Stang
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posted 01-14-2002 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I65Stang   Click Here to Email I65Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only problem with the rust convertor is you have to keep it away from your paint. If you get it on the paint, it will more than likely bubble.

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sigtauenus
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posted 01-14-2002 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
If it's a car you really care about, I'd be more inclined to take the cowl panel off and give it a real close look.


Steve, us 65-68 guys don't have the option of removing the cowl panel without using a spotweld drill and then welding it back on. You're lucky, as I think the 69-up cars have a screw-on or bolt-on cowl panel.

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-14-2002 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meanwhile, 130 something welds later......LOL!

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AKBOSSMAN
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posted 01-14-2002 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AKBOSSMAN   Click Here to Email AKBOSSMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how about POR-15 ? then repaint?

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The Iceman
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posted 01-14-2002 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Iceman   Click Here to Email The Iceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
eeeeeeeh i just say f**k it and cover the car whenever it looks like it might rain (Mustangs shouldnt really be in rain anyways, at least i wouldnt want to drive MINE in the rain! )

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-15-2002 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sigtauenus:
Steve, us 65-68 guys don't have the option of removing the cowl panel without using a spotweld drill and then welding it back on. You're lucky, as I think the 69-up cars have a screw-on or bolt-on cowl panel.

Bummer!

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mustangs68
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posted 01-15-2002 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Y'all seen that stuff on TV that will seal a leak in seconds..whats the name....Anyway how any cans would it take to do a 68 Cowl
sam

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cynot65
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posted 01-15-2002 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cynot65   Click Here to Email cynot65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everybody has a different insight to the problem. My Thought for what it's worth are these. Like the big guy said if it's a car you care about you do the 130 or so spot welds and fix it the right way. The pony boy's way is to take it to the next level WITHOUT the 130 so spotwelds. I'm sorry but a Wal Mart can of Rust Converter sounds to me like the guy who pop riveted the floor of my car. he cheaped out on it and it cost more in the long run. Iceman has the best method of preventing it from happening AGAIN cover it, or keep it in the garage. My car for one, will never see rain or snow again and may never have pure water ever touch it again. I'll wash it with a damp cloth and dry it instantly.
Poppy, it's your car and you can do anything you want to it and this is my opinion.
Tony C*

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Poppy
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posted 01-17-2002 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poppy   Click Here to Email Poppy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again everyone,but this car has never been messed with and I don't like opening it up until I decide to have the car restored and that is going to be awhile.I am keeping the car but do depend on it daily for work 4 miles round trip and while I try to always do things the best I can opening the cowl is definetly out.Maybe I'll get a cowl cover?
Anyhow it doesn't rain to often and when it does the car is in it minimally,as for snow,this is FL..I am just lookink for a remedy for now to stop the spreading.Thank you all, I will have to consider the options.
Ken

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The Iceman
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posted 01-17-2002 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Iceman   Click Here to Email The Iceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Florida - BAH! you see precipitation either at around 3pm every day or not at all
come up HERE and Ill show you rain and snow hehe just fooling with ya!
have a good one

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pony boy
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posted 01-17-2002 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pony boy   Click Here to Email pony boy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what's great about my method with the corroless and the funnel,you can coat everything and stop the spreading for a while.I did this in one of my 66 verts 8 years ago and it hasn't spread or leaked yet and I never opened it up.This car is a driver and definately sees rain.My experiences with the cowl covers is that they will slow down the leakage but not stop itentirely.I do use them though to keep junk out of my cowls which is what helped them rot in the first place.Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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PonyDoc
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posted 01-22-2002 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PonyDoc   Click Here to Email PonyDoc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See what happens when you ask a simple question?? We do cowls and it's about a 30-40 hours project with those "130" spot welds, cutting the cowl off and chiseling the rest of the surrounding area and then cutting and welding the patch panels (don't forget to align the wiper motor mounting holes), and then putting it all back together. We would MasterCoat the cowl after repairs (newer form of the old POR-15), then to the body shop to have it painted body color so it won't show thru the top vents, AND putting the windshield, fenders, & hood back on! If he catches it early enough, the Wal-Mart stuff helps prevent rust, as I have seen some cars lucky enough to be minor. So, depending on severity of rust, it can be a quick perventative or major surgery.

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topless67
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posted 01-25-2002 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for topless67   Click Here to Email topless67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have the money or resources,
especially where I currently live, to fix
the problem right on my daily driver,
so I decided to strip the paint over
the cowl vent on the outside, and bondo,
glaze, prime and repaint the whole cowl
section, I think it won't be noticeable
if I do a good job of it, especially if I do a good job of it. the average person off the
street wouldn't know better anyways,
especially since I just took the car
over here to Okinawa Japan, from the States.
I already got it bondo'd and sanded, just
waiting for my next day off to finish getting
it ready to paint, I was thinking maybe
just alittle water would leak where the wiper
arm holes are at, I will try to seal that
somehow. Anybody ever do this? I think
I seen another mustang over here that did
that, not that there are many mustangs over
here. I atleast know it will look better
that those silly plastic cover kits that
go on the outside of the car.


Rich

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