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70MachT-5
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posted 01-02-2002 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the difference between the standard 1970 Mach 1 'Competition Suspension' and the 'Export Handling Suspension'?? I know all the componants for the Competition Suspension except for the shock sizes.

Mr. Marti tells me that the springs and shocks are stiffer between the two. There has to be a set of part numbers or specs doesnt there? I am betting the Boss 302 springs/shocks are the ones I need. Help me finish with my suspension resto on our Mach 1 T-5.

(BTW: there were only 177 Mustangs that were built in 1970 that had the 'Export Handling Suspension')

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V8 Thumper
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posted 01-02-2002 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Fastback68
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posted 01-02-2002 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might have to wait for Wolfgang to come along. If you root around the archives for "T-5 Owner" and grab his e-mail address, you could give him a shout.

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Money Maker
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posted 01-02-2002 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Money Maker   Click Here to Email Money Maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hell, that's an easy one. The competition suspension has staggered rear shocks.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 01-02-2002 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark,
After looking through several Mustang books, I am finding zilch, zero, nada on the export handling suspension. Plenty on the competition suspension.
Like Simon stated, your best bet is to get in touch with Wolfgang. He is in Germany and has a lot of knowledge when it comes to the T-5's. I know that the Export Brace was added to Mustangs headed over seas in order to handle the rougher European roads better and to help stiffen the chasis. More than likely the Export Handling Suspension is for the same purposes. Just my best guesstimation.

Dave & Terri

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70MachT-5
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posted 01-03-2002 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats a good point, Alex. However the only cars that received the staggered shocks in 1970 were 428 4 speed cars. 351 powered cars and 428 cars with an auto tranny didnt. Additionally, the rear sway bar was bigger for 428 cars (5/8" vs. 1/2" diameter) and the tires were a little different between 351 and 428 cars. I still havent found any info regarding the shocks. I will keep digging.

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70MachT-5
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posted 01-03-2002 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Gibson:
Plenty on the competition suspension. know that the Export Brace was added to Mustangs headed over seas in order to handle the rougher European roads better and to help stiffen the chasis. More than likely the Export Handling Suspension is for the same purposes.

Dave,
Would you please fill me in on what you have found on the comp suspension? I probably dont have as many details as you do (see my reply to Alex above).

From talking to Gary Hanson (T-5 registry), he seems to think that by 1970 the export brace wasnt part of the export package. Ford had done enough re-design to stiffen the chassis without installing an export brace. This bears out because our Mach has the standard shock tower braces with date stamps that match the rest of the car. There may be a slight difference in these braces (an additional stiffener at the cowl end) but I am still trying to verify that.

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MarkC ~ 1970 Mach 1 T-5
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Money Maker
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posted 01-03-2002 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Money Maker   Click Here to Email Money Maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of the 70's that I remember seeing with the competition suspension option had staggered rear shocks regardless of engine. Then again I only recall seeing a few and they were all Mach ones with 351C 4v or bigger engines. A quick call to Bob Perkins could always verify it for certain.

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70MachT-5
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posted 01-03-2002 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 70MachT-5   Click Here to Email 70MachT-5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Money Maker:
All of the 70's that I remember seeing with the competition suspension option had staggered rear shocks regardless of engine. Then again I only recall seeing a few and they were all Mach ones with 351C 4v or bigger engines.

Our Mach has the 'Comp Suspension' on the window sticker and a 351C 2 bbl. We have the 1/2" rear sway bar and we dont have staggered shock plates. I LOVE these cars!!!

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MarkC ~ 1970 Mach 1 T-5
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T5owner
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posted 01-03-2002 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T5owner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys, I was asleep here and I must admit, I do not read all posts here
That might be an easy question to answer, but let me check tomorrow. We have our 8th. wedding day today and my wife is calling me names, because I switched on the 'puter for just a second to download my mails.
I have an official Ford Export part list (of which I sent a copy to Bob Perkins and Gary years ago. I will look the part nos. up.
It contains all Ford export part nos. starting in 67-79 or so. Before that there were only single leaflets for export part numbers, which I saw, but I did not succeed to get hold of them yet. Will shed some light on your problem tomorrow. Stay tuned one more day.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-03-2002 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Sprint has the 'export suspension.' Kevin Marti told me that all that was were softer springs to accommodate the roads in other countries being not as good as ours. It has no rear sway bar, or any other special components that I'm aware of.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 01-03-2002 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark,
You have e-mail from [email protected] I sent you a long e-mail with information from several different resources. Have fun with the information and I will continue to look for part numbers for you.

Dave & Terri

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'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
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T5owner
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posted 01-04-2002 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T5owner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mark, checked the FED 1967-_ Unique to Export Parts List published by Ford Export Division (FED) (Wixom/Michigan).
Acc. to this:
No special front springs listed for the 70 Mustang export, which means, it used the typical US-front springs.
For the rear springs it says:
Fastback 63 body style 302 and 351 engine, C9ZZ-5560-G
Hardtop 65 body style 302 and 351 engine, C9ZZ-5560-F
Both a.m. numbers are listed with the hint- w.Durability Package.

Shock Absorber
Front (18124) - nothing special
Rear (18125) - Ident. D00F-18080-D-E, Part-No. C6OZ-18125-P


You may have checked this out on our T-5 parts list online here:
http://privat.schlund.de/f/fmcog/t5/t5-parts.htm

However I have an extra bonus for you:
I have a 1970 T-5 and Cougar conversion instruction set. It was published by Ford Overseas Division (A3size set of drawings and parts list) It contains a lot of additional dealer instructions to convert T-5s and Cougars for german road approval incl. light bulb ID, changes of manual brake parts, colour codes for light indicators etc.
However I have checked out some confirmed T-5s and we have to guess, that these official Ford instructions were apparently not all followed by the dealer. They just did them so far until the car got approval by the local authority T?V (Technical surveillance).
Anyhow it might be a nice piece of documentation for your concours car, if you are heading into this direction.
Send me an e-mail with your address and allow me some time for copying the stuff.
Wolfgang

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TomP
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posted 01-04-2002 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a question... won't apply to German cars per se... but other foreign Fords.

On a RH drive conversion or even the factory built RHD cars , how does the exhaust manifold clear the steering box and starter.

I have seen RHD 428 CJ Mustangs in pictures.

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Fastback68
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posted 01-04-2002 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't answer your question, but I have another. Were there factory-built RHD Stangs, 65-73?

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T5owner
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posted 01-05-2002 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T5owner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can check the parts list again, but I got too much inquires right now and exciting other stuff. Stay tuned for a while.
However somewhere in my memory it struck me,that sb. told me the steering box was built in different? I think it was Steven Francis from www.minilitewheels.com, who worked on the T/A Mustangs and in the UK as well. You might ask him directly, if you just need a technical clearance, and not for originality.

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AKBOSSMAN
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posted 01-07-2002 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AKBOSSMAN   Click Here to Email AKBOSSMAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 70MachT-5:
Thats a good point, Alex. However the only cars that received the staggered shocks in 1970 were 428 4 speed cars. 351 powered cars and 428 cars with an auto tranny didnt. Additionally, the rear sway bar was bigger for 428 cars (5/8" vs. 1/2" diameter) and the tires were a little different between 351 and 428 cars. I still havent found any info regarding the shocks. I will keep digging.



69 and 70 Boss cars got the comp sup. and staggered shocks (Reinforced shock towers too)

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