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justgota65
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posted 01-01-2002 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for justgota65   Click Here to Email justgota65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it just the block, crank pistons etc..? meaning you supply the heads, intake etc? or is it everything short of a carb and ignition?

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Dave Gibson
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posted 01-01-2002 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,
You can order two different types. There is a "Short" block and a "long" block. The long block pretty much has all that you need minus a few items. The short block, you will need to add a bunch of parts to. It all depends on what you want to do with the block. Are you replacing an engine or are you building an engine? These are some questions you need to answer before you buy a block. You pretty much have the right idea already.

Dave & Terri

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'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
Blue Belle (Terri's)
'66 Coupe, Silver Blue Metallic, 351W 2-V, 4 speed, A/C, future sleeper.

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justgota65
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posted 01-01-2002 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for justgota65   Click Here to Email justgota65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I did it I would be replacing the existing engine. The 289 I have is tired. It runs and has power but blows some smoke like it leaks oils and I can see there is an external oil leak also. Plus most of my automotive background is in bodywork and not mechanical. I'm doing the restomod thing so I am not to worried about having a non-standard motor in the 65.

Figured I might replace it with a 302. buddy of mine can help me drop it in he just doesn't have the time to do a rebuild on my 289.

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Dave Gibson
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posted 01-01-2002 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,
Nothing wrong with dropping in a 302 or 351W. It all depends on what you want in the way of performance. You can even have your tired 289 built to put out 300+ horse power. Just ask Sam. He had a great job done on his 289 and still has the list of parts available. Lots of folks here at M&M will gladly help you out with all your questions.

Dave & Terri

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'65 Fastback Modified 289 4V, C-4, dual exhaust, styled steel wheels, rally pac, A/C
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'66 Coupe, Silver Blue Metallic, 351W 2-V, 4 speed, A/C, future sleeper.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 01-01-2002 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A 'crate' motor can be purchased 'turn-key' (with EVERYTHING), just depends on how much you want to spend. Like Dave said, a 'long block' is basically a complete motor that you need to install your existing accesories on (alt., p/s, intake & exhaust manifolds, carb., distributor, misc. brackets, flywheel, etc.). May or may not be a core charge, depends on the shop.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 01-01-2002 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, congrats on the '65!

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mustangs68
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posted 01-01-2002 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,
My son Jason checked Auto Zone for a 289 long Block and found a re-manufactured 289 with K-Code specs using a Hyd Cam..

We added a Performer 289 intake,600cfm carb and Hedman headers/MDS IGN system and she a little power house for well under $2500..


He only paid $800 for the 67 Coupe and recently it was appraised at $5900..not bad eh
http://jason.mustangsandmore.ws

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steve'66
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posted 01-01-2002 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,

If you're talking about a Ford-Motorsport "crate engine" You'll get a lot of stuff you can't use. Like the oil pan, timing cover, your lower pulley won't fit, and lack a fuel pump drive cam, and the water pump won't work either. You'll also need a new flywheel or flex plate, and if yours is a manual tranny there won't be a threaded hole in the block for your z-bar.

SteveW

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-02-2002 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would not recomend an "Autozone reman" engine for performance use.

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289 Rod
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posted 01-02-2002 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 289 Rod   Click Here to Email 289 Rod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ron,
Good choice for a car! 65 is the best!

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69maverick
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posted 01-02-2002 07:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 69maverick   Click Here to Email 69maverick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Alex on that one !! Those Autozone type place remans are great if your selling the car to someone you don't like!!

You can get your motor redone by most engine shops for about 1200 bucks. stock of course!

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-02-2002 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True about Motorspot/Ford Racing & Performance. However. You get a NEW motor. Some of theem DO come with uneeded externals, but they are salable, and a person already has externals to add on, don't they?? Given the oppportunity, I'll take new anytime.

Since being on M&M have heard so many horror stories about Autozone,Pep Boys, Paw, Coast, Jasper, and some others. In my area, there isn't one rebuilder that I would go to.

In some instances, it may cost more to buy new, but I'll gladly pay. One of the best buys that WAS out there was a new 5.0 Explorer with those GT-40P heads. Trouble was, they required special headers.

Sounds like a lot of the guys do well assembling their own.

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Money Maker
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posted 01-02-2002 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Money Maker   Click Here to Email Money Maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See our "300 HP for $1500" thread in the archives. Build your own, learn and have fun at the same time.

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mustangs68
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posted 01-02-2002 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex..you would this
sam

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Money Maker
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posted 01-02-2002 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Money Maker   Click Here to Email Money Maker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would WHAT Sam?
I don't get it Sam?

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