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MASTIFF
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posted 11-16-2001 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MASTIFF   Click Here to Email MASTIFF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any suggestions on what kind of headers should I buy for a 72 Mach1 351c-4V 4-speed car? The car is for street use; operating in the 2000 - 6000 rmp range.

See the link below to see the headers I have my eyes on. Has anyone tried these yet?

http://www.fordpowertrain.com/Headers.htm

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.

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MrXerox
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posted 11-16-2001 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrXerox   Click Here to Email MrXerox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the same question except mine is for a 71 351C-4V with C6 auto and PS. I have some killer HPC coated ones but the only problem is that the drivers side header is actually touching my PS gearbox and this cannot be a good thing over the long run

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7DMACH1
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posted 11-16-2001 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could not find headers for my 70 Mach 3514v 4spd. Noone made them for a 4spd, we had to buy auto headers and modify them. RAY

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n2oMike
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posted 11-16-2001 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know the Dynomax headers for a 2bbl 351C in a 72 Mach I fit great... even with power steering and a C6 (a buddy has a car set up like this) They are CHEAP too. I would think the 4bbl headers -should- fit the same...

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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7DMACH1
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posted 11-16-2001 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what brand i have, but I still don't think they make them for a 4spd car. RAY

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86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
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MASTIFF
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posted 11-16-2001 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MASTIFF   Click Here to Email MASTIFF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray,

What did you have to modify and how much trouble was it?

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n2oMike
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posted 11-16-2001 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the site for the Dynomax header applications. Sorry, no 4-speed fitment. They fit a C6 fine, but no 4-speed. Must be the clutch linkage.

http://www.dynomax.com/documents/standard_details.pdf

Hooker Super Comps fit...

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/ES/ESH/SCCar.html

Here's Hedman's listings for Ford. Looks like they fit the 4-speed.... if you have 2bbl heads.

http://www.hedman.com/pages/hedmanmain.html

The Hookers will have tubes that are MUCH closer to the same length, and will have much less restrictive collectors than those "ball and socket" powertrain units. The "fordpowertrain" headers -might- be easier to fit, although I've always had good luck with supercomp's fitment.

WELL, I just looked at the powertrain footnotes... fitment might be a problem.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
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[This message has been edited by n2oMike (edited 11-16-2001).]

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71RESTO
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posted 11-17-2001 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 71RESTO   Click Here to Email 71RESTO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have looked from every manufacturer for my '73 Mach 351C/4-speed and the only two makers for this application are Hooker Super Comps and also Doug's Headers (out of Anaheim, CA). The problem is they both are in the $520 range, which to me is too much to spend for a street car. I had a much larger selection for my '71 351C/C-6 and wound up with a set of Doug Thorley headers, which are great but haven't had a chance to install yet. On my '73 I have some cheapo headers that are cracked and blown thru and due to the affore mentioned price wound up buying stock manifolds to put back on. As for mods to headers for automatics you are probably looking at more trouble than it's worth to make them work.

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Duane
71 Fastback (his) under resto (351C-4V C6 auto)
73 Mach 1 (hers) (351CJ 4 speed)
66 289/2V coupe (daughter Ashley's)
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7DMACH1
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posted 11-17-2001 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To modify the auto headers is a job. We had to cut off the back two tubes and remake our own to get arount the z-bar. Then I had to get the one recoated. RAY

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RAY . FLY THE FLAG, SHOW THE WORLD WE ARE PROUD AMERICANS!70 MACH 1 351C NOW 408 STROKER 4SPD.
86 MERCURY CAPRI 5.0 RUNS 12.86 @107 1.65 60 ft.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8 1997 MUSTANG
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Mpcoluv
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posted 11-17-2001 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tubular Automotive makes a set to fit a 4V with headers. Costs around $300 bare.
I had to cut my Z-bar, rotate the end about 5 degrees and reweld to get the linkage to fit. My Z-bar had been modified before from the looks of it however.Sanderson makes a set of "Shorty" headers (FC-4 I think) htat will fit mustangs with the 4-speed linkage, or so they tell me.

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Jim Sams
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Moneymaker
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posted 11-17-2001 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good is not cheap and cheap is not good! Headman makes a decent 351C "throw away" header that will fit a 4 speed. They offer both 4v and 2v head ports.

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Mpcoluv
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posted 11-18-2001 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Good is not cheap and cheap is not good! Headman makes a decent 351C "throw away" header that will fit a 4 speed. They offer both 4v and 2v head ports.


Did they re-introduce the 4V version? They were unavailable 3 years ago. BTW the tubular automotive headers look like an exact copy of the very long headmans.
4 years ago, Perogie had a jet hot coated set of the headmans (New) at a swap meet for $250. I still regret not buying them.

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-18-2001 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remind me tommorow and I'll post the 4V Hedman part number.

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Alex Denysenko
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RonnieT
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posted 11-18-2001 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RonnieT   Click Here to Email RonnieT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can go to the hedman site and look up the part numbers, I found the hedders for the 351-4v under the RACE hedder section and then the STREET & STRIP HEDDERS section.

http://www.hedman.com/

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Ronnie
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Mpcoluv
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posted 11-19-2001 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RonnieT:
You can go to the hedman site and look up the part numbers, I found the hedders for the 351-4v under the RACE hedder section and then the STREET & STRIP HEDDERS section.

http://www.hedman.com/


I guess I wasn't clear enough when I said they weren't available 3 years ago. I ment a street oriented header. They still make a 2 1/8" primary header listed in Street/strip. This is too large for my uses.

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-19-2001 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They also make a 1 and 3/4 street cheapo header. I'll get the number.

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