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stang106
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posted 10-26-2001 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally started ordering some parts... The car is a '70 ragtop, will be driven on highway trips (Everett),driven hard on twisty mountain roads, 1/4 mile drags, and cruised at low speed around town with wife and daughter. The car MUST appear stock to average car enthusist. I have already installed 5 leaf rear springs, 620lb front, sway bars front & rear, KYB shocks, long welded subframe connectors, 9" with 3:25 posi, C4.

The engine I'm currently building is a 351W and must retain the stock 4V intake, cast exausts. My thinking here is to build a motor that will produce good torque over a broad RPM range, an experienced race engine builder is helping:
Windsor JR heads with double springs,7/16 studs, 58cc chamber, 194/160. Comp custom cam, solid lifter, 238/246 @.050, 110 LSA, 520/540 (this is what Comp recommends) FM flat top hyperutectic for 10:1 compression, Crane billet full roller rockers-Blazer?, Melling oil pump&shaft, stock crank, rods, pan. New stock damper. Stock distributor with Crane conversion, will be curved for this application before its sent. Assembly balanced. 2-1/2 mandrel exaust with Walker turbo's, X-pipe, tailpipes
Questions:
1) What size carb and spacer?
2) what stall for converter?
3) Are any stock appearing fans less robbing than others?
4) Any problems here?

Thanks, Dave

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Moneymaker
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posted 10-26-2001 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
770 CFM carb with a one inch 4 hole spacer.
2600 to 2800 converter.
6 or 7 wide blade aluminum flex fan.
I'm not keen on the Blazer rockers. Better Comp Magnums or Crane gold.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 10-26-2001 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a pretty nice combo. I would have gone with forged pistons, but I'm starting to warm up to hypereutectic pistons since, from what I hear, lots of people are having good luck with them.

Carb: Check out the new Holley 670 cfm Avenger. Use a 1 inch, 4 hole spacer.

Converter: 2600-2800 should do well.

Fan: I have a cool five blade fan I found on a '73 Mustang with A/C. You should also look into a fan clutched blade.

Problem areas: I know of 6 people that have had trouble with Crane rocker arms. I'd recommend Comp Cams Pro-Magnums or Crower stainless steel.

Don't forget a hardened oil pump driveshaft-- a 100% MUST for any Ford rebuild.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 10-26-2001 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Throw an Edelbrock Air-gap manifold on it, too.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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kcode
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posted 10-26-2001 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why put all the good stuff in the heads and cam then choke it with the factory cast iron manifolds? If long tube headers are a problem, at least go with a JBA type shortie.

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n2oMike
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posted 10-26-2001 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the JBA's are too expensive, you can go for the Hedmans. It will need a good exhaust. Ditching the stock heads is a really good idea. The stockers aren't even big enough for a warmed over 302, let alone a 351. The WP heads have exhaust port outlets that are SIGNIFICANTLY larger than the Ford units. My guess is that regardless of the exhaust you choose, the header/manifold inlets will need ground out with a die grinder to match the ports in the head. It's no biggie, just one of those "details" to take care of.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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stang106
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posted 10-26-2001 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex, I was under the impression that the Crane billet rockers are fine, Has people had problems with these, parts here in Canada are very expensive or I would rather go with stainless steel rockers. Are the Comp Magnums full roller and billet aluminum? I have to use the stock chrome "power by Ford" valvecovers, if I need to raise them Roger (bfxcomet) said he can manufacture me some aluminum spacers. The car absolutly needs to keep a stock intake and exausts for me to qualify to get 'Collector' plates. Also the car won't appear fast to the unsuspecting.... The drivers' exhaust manifold is more effecient, almost like a short cast header but the pass side is a log. I will port match these as much as the manifolds will allow. That is also why I'm going with the X-pipe for more scavenging effect. The pump shaft is hardened. When I go to the track I have no problem using headers, as I will be swapping my front springs/shocks and better gears. lots of work but the time slip is everything once back on the street with a 'stock' Stang!
Thanks for everybodys input, I need to relook at those rockers..
Dave

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posted 10-26-2001 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The regular Comp Cams aluminum rockers (repackaged Dove units) are nice units. I've got a set on the mustang that have been in service for about nine years now... to the tune of untold thousands of street miles and countless romps to 7000rpm, as well as numerous drag strip passes. They will get re-used yet again on the next engine!

No complaints here...

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
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posted 10-26-2001 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have had ZERO problems with the gold premium Crane rocker arms. Comp Magnums are a roller tip only.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-27-2001 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds like a lot of cam for stock exhaust manifolds & 3.25 gears (to me anyways)

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stang106
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posted 10-27-2001 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory,
The cam is one thing that no-one can see. I do need more exhaust lift and duration for the conbiation's shortcomings. I also want to be able to hear that I have a big cam, and I've had solid in the past that reved really well compared to some of the problems I've had with hydralic lifters. I did have 3:55 gears before but with my little 14" rims it wasn't drivable on the highway. The 3.25 work well at this time. I am planning to get either 15" or 16" (custom) Magnum 500s and will re-evaluate the ratio as needed. I have a friend who is a truck racer who builds rearends for everyone around here and all I have to do is take mine out and tell him what ratio to put in. I also have no problem with going with a spool and steeper gears for the track. By the way, did you get a photo of my car at the Port Alberni 1/4 mile drags? Roger said to ask you.

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Rory McNeil
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posted 10-27-2001 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave, you would have to ask TomP about any pictures. He came over to the Pt. Alberni drags with me, he usually takes lots of pix. What do you know about a race for next year? I talked to Pt. Alberni Mopar S/S Hemi racer Jim Isherwood at Mission a couple of weeks ago, & he wasn`t sure. Jim also said he`s trying to sell his house & move to the Fraser Valley, so if that happens, I guess he`ll be "out of the loop" By the way, you were mentioning getting Collector Plates for your 70. I don`t know if you can use the Magnum 500`s & still qualify. They are very strict on originality. A buddy bought my 69 428CJ Mach1 a while back, & when he sent in his request for collector plates he was rejected for the Magnum 500`s as the panel in charge knew that the Magnums were only optional on Boss cars in 69&70.He had to send photos of the car with the correct styled steel rims to get his plates. Actually, he later sold that car to someone on Van. Island, I think Victoria area. Maybe you have seen it around at some shows. Its a black "R" code 428 Mach1 with the shaker, & a black interior. My buddy added the F&R spoilers, rear louvers, & 15" Magnum 500`s after he repainted it. The car has an automatic, PS, PDB. The side stripes are gold with red. Ever seen it over there?

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posted 10-27-2001 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As was already brought up, sounds like a bit much cam for the combo. Headers and good exhaust is a requirment. I know the hard way, there is probably 50 to 75hp waiting for me to slap some headers on the 390.

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posted 10-27-2001 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
351W stock exhaust manifolds for a Mustang are not as bad as you all may think. They are by far the best stock SBF manifolds ever produced. Has anyone really ever looked at a set? Extrude honing will do a bunch for them and I like the "stealth" approach. We won three consecutive Sportsman championships at Santa Fe speedway in the early 80's with a 351W 2v using stock carb, intake and exhaust manifolds per the rules. (I built the engines, Jeff Elder drove) After the third we were asked not to return with the Cougar and the 351. We were outlawed! Long tube headers would be better, but I don't think that you will loose as much as everyone else does.
I don't think that the cam is too big personally by the way.

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stang106
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posted 10-27-2001 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory,
I was just talking to the organizer of the Port Alberni Drag Racing Association yesterday. Next year it will be a two day affair, the first day being a test and tune heads/up for $20.00, and the second day some sort of structured racing, the association is having meetings discussing that now. Were the Magnum 500s also a dealers installed option? My goal is to be collector plate eligible. I havn't seen the black R-code around, Vancouver Island is 300 miles long though! I didn't know Jim is moving. We actually have quite a few Hemi cars here as when the forest industry was booming, lots of young guys had a good expendible income and very low living expences. Those days are dissapearing fast: I was laid off out of the pulp mill in '92.
Dave

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posted 10-27-2001 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex,
Thanks for your opinion on the cam; I do like solids but lack the experience to have a feel for the numbers, just what I read about M&M members' applications. With the sleeper approach I hope to beat stock Chebbie cars; there is one arrogant SOB who has a 427 Vett that is concours stock, I may not beat him but I'm going to try hard! I talked with the shop who is selling me the parts, over 600 miles away (Alberta) and they are very confident with the Crane Blazers, apparently they have sold dozens of sets with not one failure. They said that it is more than enough for my horsepower and RPM. Have you heard of failures in the Blazers? Do you know of anybody who supplies extrude hone manifolds? I'm not sure who would do that here?
Dave

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posted 10-27-2001 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just who in the heck do they have inspecting the cars anyway??? Guys around here have regular "street racers" with classic tags and insurance. I wouldn't think an aluminum intake and a set of headers would get anything you've mentioned denied... not too many classics out there are "concours" correct!

The cam might be "something nobody can see" but unless you use a good intake and a set of headers, it will just result in a mis-matched combo that doesn't really do anything right. About the time the cams starts to make power, the intake and exhaust manifolds are going to be choking it off.... I'd go down about 10 degrees on the intake if you MUST run through those bottlenecks.

I'd at LEAST get the performer RPM or Stealth intake, grind off the numbering and paint it engine color before fooling with extrude honing the stocker.

Those manifolds will need some port work. You might want to invest in a die grinder if you don't have one already.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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posted 10-27-2001 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You would just send the manifolds to Extrude Hone corp. They would do yours and return them. (PS, anyone ever seen Rob Youngbloods D/S Mustang or Deen Cooks car? Both use stock intake manifolds and run in the high tens, but an aftermarket one would be better)

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posted 10-28-2001 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, its really strict here in BC when it comes to getting collector plates.You will be denied for any of the following: non stock radio (on a early tube style radio it may be converted to modern circuitry, but must appear totally stock)
aftermarket shifter
aftermarket wheels
non OE chrome under the hood
aftermarket air cleaner
headers
tinted windows
aftermarket steering wheel; in other words almost any modifacation that is notical visually. (several photos from diff. angles, as well as interior, trunk & interior shots must be sent with your application.)
If you have a bone stock car, & then modify, even slightly, your insurance can be voided.
It seems like originality is more important than condition. I have seen some fairly poor paint jobs on old Ramblers & such with the collector plates, but I guess they looked OK in the photos.The car has to be 25 years old or more, unless it is at least 15 years old AND can be documented to be one of less than 1500 built( Briklin, DeLoreon maybe?)
Benefits for collector plates? Well, you can skip the annual "AirCare" emissions test, which is only done in the Greater Vancouver area anyhow, although probably 75% of BC`s population lives in this area.
CHEAP insurance, approx 1/5th the regular rate.
To qualify, you can`t use the vehicle for work or normal transportation duties, & you must own at least one regularly insured car.So if you owned nothing but 10 Shelbys, at least 1 would require normal coverage. Dave, Jim Isherwood said that due to the weak forestry situation in the Pt. Alberni area, his property values have plummeted, plus his house has been on the market for 2 years! now.Also, if they want to have raceday eliminations at the drags next year, they will need to straighten out the 1/2hour-45 minute delay from when you run, until you get your ET slip.

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posted 10-28-2001 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mpcoluv   Click Here to Email Mpcoluv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang106:
I talked with the shop who is selling me the parts, over 600 miles away (Alberta) and they are very confident with the Crane Blazers, apparently they have sold dozens of sets with not one failure. They said that it is more than enough for my horsepower and RPM. Have you heard of failures in the Blazers? Do you know of anybody who supplies extrude hone manifolds? I'm not sure who would do that here?
Dave


I am running the Cheaper Crane Vacuum cast roller rockers. They have worked fine in my street Cleveland. I wouldn't want to run them in real race applications with really heavy springs and roller cams however. Be sure to take a icepick or awl and get all of the casting flash off of them around the pushrod cup and the roller.
For the unlimited budget, Crower stainless steel are highly rated.
BTW why Windosr Jr heads? For a 351 I would use Windsor seniors.
Also get a performer RPM and mill the edelbrock logo off and paint it blue.

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posted 10-28-2001 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike,
I just saw a Couger with the 14" air filter assemply and I should be able to use a painted aluminum intake, with the manufacturer groung off. Does the Performer RPM look like it could pass for stock and fit this application? Does that mean I should go with the Sr. heads?
Dave

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posted 10-28-2001 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rory,
Roger was just telling me that the association is purchasing a computer/printer system to automatically print the ET, 60ft, etc. They may be sharing the equipment with other race organizations.
Dave

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posted 10-28-2001 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Jr. Heads will be plenty... especially since you'll probably be using exhaust manifolds.

I believe the Stealth intake looks even more stock than the RPM, but both would be a huge improvement over the stocker... cheaper as well if you were going to extrude hone the stocker.

Don't go too big on the cam if you are going to use the exhaust manifolds. Definitely port them the best you can and use a split duration cam, but I still don't think you'll be able to make use of much more than 228-230 degrees @ 0.050" on the intake (if that). Some 351W exhaust manifolds look like 289 hipo units, you might want to try and locate a set.

A looser converter would be nice. You'll NEED it if you go close to 228-230 on the intake. You'll need a 11" or 10" converter depending on the combo.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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posted 10-29-2001 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
By the way, you were mentioning getting Collector Plates for your 70. I don`t know if you can use the Magnum 500`s & still qualify. They are very strict on originality. A buddy bought my 69 428CJ Mach1 a while back, & when he sent in his request for collector plates he was rejected for the Magnum 500`s as the panel in charge knew that the Magnums were only optional on Boss cars in 69&70.He had to send photos of the car with the correct styled steel rims to get his plates. Actually, he later sold that car to someone on Van. Island, I think Victoria area. Maybe you have seen it around at some shows. Its a black "R" code 428 Mach1 with the shaker, & a black interior. My buddy added the F&R spoilers, rear louvers, & 15" Magnum 500`s after he repainted it. The car has an automatic, PS, PDB. The side stripes are gold with red. Ever seen it over there?


Rory, I have never seen that car around. Heck, I'm the president of the Mustang club over here and I thought that I knew of just about every 69 Mach I on the island. If it is over here it has never made it out to any events that I have been at... that's a shame.

BTW, weren't the Magnum 500's an available option on the 1970 Mach Is as well as the Boss cars? I thought that it was just 69 that you could only get them on the Boss 302 and 429.

Ian

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posted 10-29-2001 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rory McNeil:
Mike, its really strict here in BC when it comes to getting collector plates.You will be denied for any of the following: non stock radio (on a early tube style radio it may be converted to modern circuitry, but must appear totally stock)
aftermarket shifter
aftermarket wheels
non OE chrome under the hood
aftermarket air cleaner
headers
tinted windows
aftermarket steering wheel; in other words almost any modifacation that is notical visually. (several photos from diff. angles, as well as interior, trunk & interior shots must be sent with your application.)
If you have a bone stock car, & then modify, even slightly, your insurance can be voided.
It seems like originality is more important than condition. I have seen some fairly poor paint jobs on old Ramblers & such with the collector plates, but I guess they looked OK in the photos.The car has to be 25 years old or more, unless it is at least 15 years old AND can be documented to be one of less than 1500 built( Briklin, DeLoreon maybe?)
Benefits for collector plates? Well, you can skip the annual "AirCare" emissions test, which is only done in the Greater Vancouver area anyhow, although probably 75% of BC`s population lives in this area.
CHEAP insurance, approx 1/5th the regular rate.
To qualify, you can`t use the vehicle for work or normal transportation duties, & you must own at least one regularly insured car.So if you owned nothing but 10 Shelbys, at least 1 would require normal coverage. Dave, Jim Isherwood said that due to the weak forestry situation in the Pt. Alberni area, his property values have plummeted, plus his house has been on the market for 2 years! now.Also, if they want to have raceday eliminations at the drags next year, they will need to straighten out the 1/2hour-45 minute delay from when you run, until you get your ET slip.


Yep, it is really tricky here to get collectors plates all right. There is an organization (Specialty Vehicle Association of BC - http://www.sva.bc.ca ) that has been working very hard to get modified categories for collector plates here in BC. They have had some success with the older modified cars (pre-50, I think??) and are working towards an agreement with ICBC on the rest of the 25 year old+ category as well. Hopefully they will be sucessful in attaining that before my car hits 25 years, as I don't necessarily want to put my car to 100% stock condition. We'll see. At least someone is trying!!

Ian

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From: God's Country!... Port Alberni B.C. Canada
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posted 10-30-2001 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stang106   Click Here to Email stang106     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike,
The cam has been ordered. Have you used or know anyone who has used the Stealth intake? Could it have 'too large' of runners for this application? and should I still use a 1" four hole spacer? I will definitly go with an aftermarket intake now. I will definitly port the cast exausts as much as they will allow, I'm also going to clean up the WP heads, by polishing the exausts and combustion chamber, and smoothing the intake casting. I used to have a Barracuda that I had Collector Plates. Both the Value and the idea that the car is 'factory stock' is the image that people see on Collector plate cars here. I appreciate your advise, thanks.
Dave

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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
Registered: Jan 2001

posted 10-30-2001 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stang106:
Mike,
The cam has been ordered. Stealth intake?

I will definitly port the cast exausts as much as they will allow, I'm also going to clean up the WP heads, by polishing the exausts and combustion chamber, and smoothing the intake casting.


Here's a picture of the Stealth intake:
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/AMS/AMSM/f8023.html

It's won't be too big. It should be just right for your combo. It looks fairly factory. It even has the firing order printed on it.

Do some grinding in the bowls. Upen up the bowls to around 85% the size of the valve seat, and smooth out all the casting flash.

If you know someone that is good with a stick welder, you might even have them build up the thin part of the exhaust manifold so you'll have more room to grind em' out and open em' up. All they really need is a "nickel" rod. It works great with cast iron. Some try and be cheap and use a stainless rod (since it also contains nickel), but nickel works best.

Grind the hell out of the exhaust manifolds. You'll need all the flow you can get!

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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289 Rod
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From: Laguna Niguel, CA, USA
Registered: Oct 2001

posted 10-31-2001 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 289 Rod   Click Here to Email 289 Rod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not even close to mechanics knowledge but here is my .02. If my ideas are wrong please comment. If your car has a deadline for finishing then use the Edelbrock Windsor Jr Heads or maybe Trick Flow Heads, yet with Trick Flow you will need to check your clearances of the valves. I would reccommend AFR heads yet they take a while to recieve and a bit pricey but with heads you can build a lot of horsepower by porting and polishing, http://www.airflowresearch.com also if your bottom end is not strong, think about converting to 4 bolt main caps and/or a main girdle. To pick up a little more hp add a windage tray as well. By the way buy the Comp Cam Pro Magnums from Summit I got mine for about $20 to $30 cheaper.

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Weiand Dual Plane,AFR 165cc, Comp Cam Pro Magnum Rocker Arms, 3.55 Rearend

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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
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posted 10-31-2001 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm..

Looks like the "Weiand" script is embedded (sunken) down into the manifold. The Edelbrock has all raised lettering, and might be easier to grind away.

Go to www.edelbrock.com for a picture.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/carbedstangs/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 10-31-2001 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's an amazing amount of grief to put up with for collector plates. Are the savings in insurance rates worth it? My Mach is only about $280/year extra on my policy.

Or is it because of the emission laws?

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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ccode67
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From: douglasville,ga,usa
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posted 10-31-2001 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
That's an amazing amount of grief to put up with for collector plates. Are the savings in insurance rates worth it? My Mach is only about $280/year extra on my policy.

Or is it because of the emission laws?


I agree , I have full coverage on the 67, with 10k collector car added and it's less than $300 per year. Are you just going for the sleeper look?

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Stuart MCA #48902
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67 stang 5 speed
91 f-150 xlt
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Gearhead
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 10-31-2001 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gearhead   Click Here to Email Gearhead     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
That's an amazing amount of grief to put up with for collector plates. Are the savings in insurance rates worth it? My Mach is only about $280/year extra on my policy.

Or is it because of the emission laws?


Regular insurance for a 60's or 70's muscle car runs around $700-$800 per year here in BC. Collector car insurance is only $200 - $250, so the savings are pretty significant.

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Cheers,
Ian
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