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sigtauenus
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posted 10-17-2001 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Holy Cow folks, just read the thread about Jaazy's car and it reminded me of a terrible sight I had last week.

Last Friday I was driving into the next town over with Casey to go to dinner. From about 5 miles out I see a tower of smoke and think there's a real blaze going on in town. As I get closer, I realize its a car on fire along side of the highway. From about 1/4 mile I pick out some mustang front end characteristics out of the blaze. As I go past, I see a 65 or 66 silver coupe with a vinyl top (or a convertable), awesome chrome wheels, COMPLETELY engulfed in flames. I mean it, no exageration here, COMPLETELY in flames!!!! I had forgotten to post a warning then and Jaazy's thread reminded me.

Whoever this guy was, his car really was totalled (you got away easy Jaazy!).

So, if you haven't seen Jaazy's thread, and are hearing this for the first time, buy some cheap insurance in the form of a fire extinguisher for your car TODAY!!!

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JAAZZY
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posted 10-18-2001 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

That would have been me without the extinguisher! It would have at least destroyed my engine compartment and all the front end paint. Since I'm doing all the work it looks like parts will total about $200. I found all the distributor pieces on Ebay. That saved me about $50.

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Fastback68
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posted 10-18-2001 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jaazzy, do you literally mean that WAS you?? Do you mean that one M&Mer just happened to drive by while another M&Mer's car was turning to toast??? Small world!

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Stang28965
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posted 10-18-2001 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stang28965   Click Here to Email Stang28965     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read that a little better, Jazzy's car is pretty much fine. Because he had a extinguisher on hand. That other mustang just went up in flames and stayed up in flames I have always had one in my car. and people always ask, "what do you think your car is going to catch fire"

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Boss Hoss
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posted 10-18-2001 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Boss Hoss   Click Here to Email Boss Hoss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sigtauenus:
This is certainly a very valuable warning you have posted!

One other thing that should be mentioned is for everyone to CHECK YOUR FUEL LINES every couple of months or so, especially if they are original or if any part of them is more than a couple of years old. You might find a potential leak!

I remember when I first got my 1965 coupe and I wanted someone to give me an estimate on a complete new exhaust system. (This was before I knew anything about working on my own car...I replaced the exhaust myself and it was easy!) Anyhow, I go to a muffler place and they put the car up on the rack. The guy said, "I'll be glad to quote you a price, but you shouldn't drive the car in its current condition." I asked him what he meant, and he showed me a VERY worn out and leaky rubber gas line coming from my tank, right next to my hot muffler!

It was then that I started to realize just how long the previous owner had let the car go without properly maintaining it. CHECK YOUR FUEL LINES!

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Dave Gibson
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posted 10-18-2001 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sig,
Already have a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit in the Mustang. Car fires are no fun.

Dave & Terri

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bibbs68
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posted 10-18-2001 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bibbs68   Click Here to Email bibbs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those of you with fire extinguishers, don't forget to have them periodically checked by a professional. If you ever had to use it, you would want it to spray and not dribble!

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460-67Stang
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posted 10-18-2001 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 460-67Stang   Click Here to Email 460-67Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What type of extinguishers do you guys recommend? The white powder kind or halon? I hear halon doesn't make a mess but is more expensive. Don't know for certain though.

Brian

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JAAZZY
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posted 10-18-2001 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the white powder kind and it put the fire out in seconds but it left a mess. It took me a few hours to vaccum out the engine compartment, scrub it and hose it down. I'm hoping I never need it again but will switch to another type when I have a little extra cash. I was told that the powder is corrosive so it needs to be completely removed. Hope I got it all.

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Originally posted by 460-67Stang:
What type of extinguishers do you guys recommend? The white powder kind or halon? I hear halon doesn't make a mess but is more expensive. Don't know for certain though.

Brian


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Dave Gibson
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posted 10-18-2001 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hallon is good for an area that can be enclosed. Hallon smothers a fire by blocking out all the oxygen. The powder type extingushers also smother a fire. But does leave a mess. CO2 will also smother a fire, but the CO2 comes out real cold and you need to ground the extinguisher to prevent static electricity build-up. Last thing you need is a spark with a lot of fuel and fumes.

Dave & Terri

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sigtauenus
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posted 10-18-2001 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a link to a place that makes Halon extinguishers.

http://www.h3r.com/prodrecon.htm

Looks like $105 for a 2.5 lb automobile sized container of Halon.

Here is a baking soda based extinguisher, $56, probably paying for the polished container. Says it won't damage your car.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/machv/polfirex.html


I'll keep looking for something cheaper to post.

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JAAZZY
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posted 10-18-2001 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave,

Do you mean grounded while it is stored in the car, like say to a roll bar?

- Jas

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Originally posted by Dave Gibson:
Hallon is good for an area that can be enclosed. Hallon smothers a fire by blocking out all the oxygen. The powder type extingushers also smother a fire. But does leave a mess. CO2 will also smother a fire, but the CO2 comes out real cold and you need to ground the extinguisher to prevent static electricity build-up. Last thing you need is a spark with a lot of fuel and fumes.

Dave & Terri


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Dave Gibson
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posted 10-18-2001 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Gibson   Click Here to Email Dave Gibson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jaz,
No to grounded while stored in the car. Grounded while in use. I don't know all the ins and outs on why a CO2 extinguisher will build a static charge, but they do.

Dave & Terri

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JAAZZY
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posted 10-18-2001 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I'll go with the halon next. Kinda steep though at $100-$150.

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Gibson:
Jaz,
No to grounded while stored in the car. Grounded while in use. I don't know all the ins and outs on why a CO2 extinguisher will build a static charge, but they do.

Dave & Terri


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sigtauenus
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posted 11-09-2005 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
digging deep here. A reminder to Andy's caution about checking fuel lines.

I was loaning my 78 out to a buddy to move some equipment, and popped the hood to check everything was ok since I don't drive it much any more. I had run the engine a little bit, shut the truck off and closed the hood. While walking away I noticed the driveway was wet under the truck, and it doesn't have a/c. I popped the hood again and didn't see anything, and restarted it for another look.

Sure enough the rubber fuel line between the steel line and the carb was leaking. It was maybe 4-5 years old, and had cracked around the clamp and was leaking pretty nicely.

Fortunately I keep fuel line "in stock" and replaced it before my buddy showed up.

As a second caution, don't overtighted the clamps on rubber lines, only tighten enough to seal it.

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mustangs68
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posted 11-09-2005 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing about MCA (Mustang Club of America) They require all car to have a Fire Extinguisher or you will lose points at tech inspection at shows.

heck with the points get one anyway!!
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68 Coop
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posted 11-09-2005 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68 Coop   Click Here to Email 68 Coop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to add my .02 here, it's not ONLY gas lines that need to be in good shape. I caught my bay on fire because a P/S line got on the Headers. Nice little fire got going before I finally smothered it with my shirt. You can't go wrong having one, either way.

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Dreamcometrue
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posted 11-09-2005 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreamcometrue   Click Here to Email Dreamcometrue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Got a Halon extinguisher and a First Aid kit in the car. One never knows.
Better be safe than sorry.
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Fastymz
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posted 11-09-2005 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastymz   Click Here to Email Fastymz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a large Halon extinguisher on the wall of my garage right next to my car. Another small one by the door to the house. And a small unit in the car. After I read about Jazzy car I went out and got them all.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 11-09-2005 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another fire extinguisher that looks like a good pick:

http://www.fireadesource.com/fireade-auto-racing-track.html

Click on their FAQ, then scroll down to question #14.......

Ryan

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n2oMike
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posted 11-09-2005 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've got Halon extinguishers all over the basement (garage) and in the house. Have one in the mustang too. A 2.5lb unit is a nice sizable unit for a car. Not too big, but big enough to put out a decent fire. Got them off Ebay.

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lcl
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posted 11-10-2005 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lcl   Click Here to Email lcl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never thought about this before !! Getting 3 in the morning, one for the garage (should have thought of that before),one for the wifes ride and one for the Mustang!!.

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 11-10-2005 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another couple of suggestions:

1) Hold a "practice round" using one of your extinguishers!

Just because you have extinguishers 'hanging around' doesn't mean everyone in the house (you, your kids & significant other) feels comfortable in using one. They must - without hesitation - feel comfortable to use one in order to react quickly to a fire. It's a well-known fact that the quicker the extinguisher gets to the fire the better chance of getting it snuffed out.

Ok, so you'll need to get the extinguisher re-filled after the practice session, but that's still cheap insurance considering the potential risk.....

If you can build a small fire in the driveway or backyard even better, then let everyone run the extinguisher some.... If you don't want to have an actual fire, fine, you can still practice the operation & shoot off one anyway even without a fire.

2) If you're still uneasy about setting up a 'practice round', consider contacting your local fire department. Since they MUST practice with their fire-fighting equipment, see if they'd assist you & your family in setting up a 'practice round' session.

3) You may also ask if they (fire dept) can get you possible price breaks on purchasing extinguishers & smoke alarms, recommend what type & number of extinguisher to buy, re-filling of the units, where to mount them, etc.

4) Many local firehouses have free pamphlets/literature available that they'll give you to take home. Leave the pamphlet in your library (bathroom) for all to review while "doing a job" prior to the 'practice round' so they become familar with the process of fire containment.

I told my two teenage boys that I may not be around when a fire starts and that I wanted them to feel comfortable in using an extinguisher. I was able to win over their serious participation in the 'practice round' when I suggested that they may not be home, rather at school, a friends house or garage, a store, and THEY'D BE THE HERO for not hesitating to grab an extinguisher when/if a fire was to break out!

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sigtauenus
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posted 11-10-2005 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a good friend who is a volunteer fire fighter. He has a Blazer with a fire extinguisher mounted between the front seats, a mini maglite mounted on the door pilar behind both front driver and passenger doors, and one of those mini hammers for breaking glass mounted on each side too, a small first aid kit up front, and a larger first aid kit in the back.

Talk about ready for an emergency! Not sure if that was the Eagle Scount or Marine in him, or if he's just plain anal, but any way you put it, he's prepared.

Ryan, great idea for the practice, for us and the family. I've had some minimal fire fighting practice with regard to fire extinguishers, but doubt Casey ever has.

Also great ideas for those who chimed in about having one in the garage. We keep one near the kitchen, but have been slacking in getting one for the garage. I need to get off my butt and take care of that right away.

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V8 Thumper
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posted 11-10-2005 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread guys, safety is most unfortunately overlooked by far too many.

I've got an ABC extinguisher mounted to the rollbar in my car. People think it looks 'cool', and I tell them 'thanks' but that's not the point! It's very quickly and easily accessable in the event of an emergency. I'd hate to have the fire extinguisher in the trunk and not be able to get to it I've also installed an aluminum firewall between the trunk and driver's compartment per NHRA/IHRA tech.

You simply cannot be too safety concious!

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posted 11-10-2005 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for V8 Thumper   Click Here to Email V8 Thumper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, one fire extinguisher in the kitchen and two in the garage. SOP

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posted 11-10-2005 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 66HIPO&more     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great thread.
Thanks for all the good info and reminders.

When we held our first MCA show last year, you would not believe the grief we got from car owners over MCA's extinguisher requirement.
I hope no one ever experiences a fire in their car, but maybe someday someone who attended the show and does now have the extinguisher will be thanking us.

We have them in all our cars and several in the garage and around the house. (But I need to check their exp. dates)

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posted 11-10-2005 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mentioned HALON before, but it is the BOMB-DIGGITY when it comes to fire extinguishers. It comes out as a non-staining, non-conducting clear liquid. It then evaporates away and leaves no trace it was ever there.

It's used for computer equiptment and emergency fire bottles in race cars and aircraft.

However, it is a CFC, so it is no longer produced in the USA. Places to sell new ones, but the best place to buy them is ebay. 2.5lb units are best for cars. Big enough, but not too big. Some come with automotive mounts. I mounted mine right to the trans tunnel.

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My wifes grandpa was a fire chief for many years. So we have an extinguisher in the kitchen and laundry room too. We go over escape routes for the kids. I got a large commercial size halon extinguish in garage from the guy who services ours at work. He sold it to me a great price. And checks it out for me twice a year. The smaller ones around the house. I replace when needed.

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JAAZZY
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posted 11-10-2005 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was able to get some Halon extinguishers from work for free as we were upgrading. Unfortunately we didn't have anything small. I will probably need to strap the halon one to the floor behind the seat and the 2.5lb ABC one to the roll bar.

I have seen a few cars burn to the ground since my little incident. Without an extinguisher those people just sit and watch. By the time the Fire Dept. arrives it's totaled.

Funny story:

Just off the freeway exit here in San Francisco a young guy throws his cigarette out of the window in his SUV. He's not paying attention and it is carried back in through the back window. By the time he realized what happened the back was on fire. In a panic he jumped out of the slowly moving car without stopping! It burned to the ground but also caused an accident. I never did find out if he was charged with negligence.

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What ever you get,, DON'T mount it in the trunk..

I know from experience that if you have a fire under the hood,, it's all over but the crying:
1. by the time you realize what happening..
2. fumble frantically to get you keys..
3. fumble frantically again to open the trunk..
4. grab your extinquisher.. it's tooo late..

My extinquisher sits right behind my seat with nothing obstructing me from grabbing it & easily removing it from the mount..

I know Halogens aren't as messy,, but for those of you that can't aford Halogen extingquisher.. Get an extinquisher rated for Type A, B, & C Fires.. Then you're covered and don't have to worry about the type of fire..

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posted 11-14-2005 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreamcometrue   Click Here to Email Dreamcometrue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Talking about home securty, I have 2 extinguishers in the house. One in the kitchen and one on the wall in the basement stairs. And because I heat with a wood burning stove I have a carbon monoxide detector also. With the airtight houses we build around here, there might not be enough fresh air allowed inside. Carbon monoxide is deadly.
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posted 11-21-2005 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike65   Click Here to Email Mike65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When we get both of our Stangs back on the road we WILL have fire extingushers in them for safteys sake.

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posted 11-21-2005 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I keep them in all cars and in the house and garage. Our plant has a fire prevention company come in annually to do training with live fire extinguisher and real fires, most people don't know the proper use of one.

The MCA started requiring them when, I think the late Jim Osborn lost a Shelby GT 350 or 500 to a fire.

I had to use mine once at one of our car shows when a 57 Ford had a carb leak and burst into flames.

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