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65mustang
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From: Stockton,CA
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posted 09-18-2001 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65mustang   Click Here to Email 65mustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i masked up my 65 ,getting it ready to be primered and someone wet my car down wqith the hose and the tape got soaked and had little bubbles in it.well when i seen this i peeled off the tape and the worst type of sticky residue was left.on the chrome around my windows,front,back, sides, and on my windshield and gascap.i have no idea how tha hell to get it off. i tried wd40 but it doesnt work.does anybody have any suggestions? i seriously dont know what 2 do about it. thanks.

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SnakeEyes
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posted 09-18-2001 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnakeEyes   Click Here to Email SnakeEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey don't use anything that has an oily base like wd40 or solvent because if it goes on the body it might cause your paint to *fish eye* or run. Try putting some paint thinner on a rag. Don't soak the rag completely put just enough and use allot of muscle.
Hopes this helps

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67RestoMod
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posted 09-18-2001 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67RestoMod   Click Here to Email 67RestoMod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Use lacquer thinner to take out the adhesive.

BTW, lacquer thinner is also great for other uses too... I keep it handy to remove overspray when detailing my engine compartment, cleaning grease off parts, etc.

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mellowyellow
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posted 09-18-2001 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lacquer thinner is the best. I don't know what kind of tape you are using (although none like to ge wet} but 3-M is the best. It does not leave a sticky mess and can be left on for a longer period. Most quality shops use 3-M even though it costs more for a reason. I use thinner on a lot of things. I cleaned all the wires on my harnesses with thinner after removing the tape. I hit my own mailbox with my van and left a mark on the 1/4. Thinner took it off as the factory paint isn't harmed by a low grade fast thinner like "wash" thinner. When using vinyl dye, the vinyl should be washed with soap and water and rinsed thoroughly. Just before applying, wipe the piece with a paper towel and thinner to tack it up. Your dye will grab better.

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mustangs68
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posted 09-19-2001 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you guy are stripping paint..LOL

Get you a bottle of Goo-B-Gone from Home Depot or any Hardwear store..will not hurt finish as the above solvents may.
If worse come to worse use some some Isopropyl Alcohol 50% which is the type you'll get at most drug stores and use it.

sam

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Greenstang
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posted 09-19-2001 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greenstang   Click Here to Email Greenstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used isopropyl alky on mine also

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kcode
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posted 09-19-2001 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Mellow, get yourself some good masking tape. The K-mart/Walmart stuff doesn't use the same type of adhesive as the automotive type.

Mike

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65mustang
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posted 09-20-2001 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65mustang   Click Here to Email 65mustang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for all the suggestions.i think ill try out the alcohol first then if it doesnt work ill go pick up some lacquer thinner. the tape i used was 3-M but it had been sittin in the garage for a while so it was a little messed up i guress.
anyways thanks 4 the sugg.

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Harrys'65
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posted 09-20-2001 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work for 3M and there are many different masking tapes and different adhesives on them. You do NOT want to use household mask on your car, it has a totally different composition and adhesive and can actually damage your finish.
If anyone is interested, I can list the 3m tapes that are best for cars.
Also, use NEW tape, tape that has seen extreme temperatures or weather won't be effective and can damage finishes. We use heptane for removing adhesive here(UnDo brand at Kmart/walmart/target.. works great), but I am not sure how it effects car paints.

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Big D
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posted 09-20-2001 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big D   Click Here to Email Big D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harry,

Go ahead and list the 3M tapes... I am so frustrated with cheap tape... That's all I can get in my town...

If I knew what I needed, I could stock up when I go to the Big City...

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mellowyellow
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posted 09-20-2001 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harry: When are you going to post pics of your 67 cv??

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Harrys'65
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posted 09-20-2001 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will get the list tomorrow at the office and post them. Don, if you need some and can't get it, give me the sizes(widths) you want and I will send you some.
As for cv....I didn't get it. He sold it before I could get it. I am pissed, it was a beautiful car. I am now possessed with a need for a 68cv. Until I find one that cool again, I won't be happy and I don't even have any money to spend on one.(I am sick, I think I have Convertosis.)


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http://www.harrystraub.com/resto.html

[This message has been edited by Harrys'65 (edited 09-20-2001).]

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Harrys'65
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posted 09-21-2001 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, here are the tapes to use on cars. The numbers listed are for a set width, but they do come in different widths. I have used all of them, and I like them all. If any bodyshop guys have comments, I would love to hear them.

For Jambs, trunklids, hoods, anything with a seam, use:
3M? Soft Edge Foam Masking Tape #06298(3/4")

For Basic Masking, and general use on auto body work, use:
Scotch? Automotive Refinish Masking Tape 233
(this comes in many widths, this is the industry standard)

For more conformable curves and better defined paint lines, use:
Scotch? Automotive Refinish Masking Tape 233 +
(This stuff is the cat's meow, it bends, and corners, and is high tech tape. Very cool stuff)

For a long term (up to 7 day) masking project, use:
Scotch? Long-Mask? Masking Tape 2090
(This is UV resistant and won't leave residue for 7 days. This is also used on drywall, it can stay up for a week and still come off clean without tearing walls. This is what every pro house painter uses.)

I will warn you, this stuff aint cheap. You do get what you pay for, but even the 'budget' paint shops use it which means it is cheaper in the long run.

Harry

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Harry Straub
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Ryan Wilke
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posted 09-21-2001 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Harry! Good Info to have!
(I printed it off for future use....

Ryan

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Big D
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posted 09-21-2001 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big D   Click Here to Email Big D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Harry... I am about to repaint my engine compartment, so I better head to the city and get a little of each...

Great Information...

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Don
Brilliant Blue 1966 2+2
Soon To Be 302 w/5spd
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Dave Witthoeft
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posted 09-23-2001 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Witthoeft   Click Here to Email Dave Witthoeft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stripped the tape off a part yesteday that had been on there fifteen years. I used laquer thinner and a scraper and it took about an hour.

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Harrys'65
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posted 09-23-2001 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On Friday I saw a new product release at work, 3M is making a spray on Adhesive remover(also for bugs and tar) for Cars. It claims it won't hurt car finishes....I will get a can and report how it works.

Harry

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mellowyellow
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posted 09-23-2001 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harry: The shop that painted my 65 is a large collision shop. They use a spray on product that cuts out overspray. Also, they use a plastic film for large area coverup. I think they use that in the booth and the other stuff when the car is out in the shop area and is getting spot primed, etc. Can you enlighten?

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Harrys'65
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posted 09-23-2001 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will look into it...I am not sure what that is. I will ask the auto guys this week.
Harry

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Harrys'65
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posted 09-27-2001 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harrys'65   Click Here to Email Harrys'65     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny thing happened, the 3M technical service folks actually read this post and emailed me! Here is some additional info they provided me:

: The spray-on masking product is
called OML (Overspray Masking Liquid) and is applied to everything you
do not want paint on. It not only protects the surface from paint
overspray, it also traps all the dirt so it doesn't get in your paint
job. It's water based so you just wash it off when finished.
The plastic film is OPS (Overspray Protective Sheeting) and is also used
to protect surfaces from overspray. The film clings to the car and is
treated on the outside so paint sticks. A word of caution when using
plastic films; never use with the treated side down (against the paint)
and never let water get trapped under it. Either situation can damage
painted surfaces under it.
Depending on their situation or preferance, a shop will choose OML or
OPS or both.

Another option for removing masking tape adhesive: 3M's Stripe removal
wheel. It works like a big spinning eraser and doesn't hurt the paint.

One last thing; another advantage of the green 3M masking tape (#233+)
is that it will not leave adhesive behind like the tan masking tapes.
I've seen it rained on and left outside for two days (in Florida) and it
still removed cleanly.

Hope this helps.
Harry

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Harry Straub
'65 Mustang Coupe
http://www.harrystraub.com/resto.html

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