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Ralph Rebandt
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posted 08-09-2001 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ralph Rebandt   Click Here to Email Ralph Rebandt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fellas, a friend of mine said that he saw a special on Mustangs and that my year Stang is dangerous and has blown up upon being rearended. Any of you know the validity of this? If so what can be done to protect myself and family besides looking in the rear view mirror?

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steve'66
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posted 08-09-2001 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can add a steel "firewall" behind the back seat to seperate you from the tank in the trunk. Or, the best way is to install a fuel cell in place of the tank.

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sigtauenus
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posted 08-09-2001 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think we had a big thread on this after that show aired, it was 20/20 or 60 minutes. I think the conclusion was the mustang was unfairly singled out because there are a LOT of other cars that hit in the back with enough force will rupture the fuel tank spilling gas into the passenger compartment. Unfortunately I don't remember the specifics of the shows tests. Since that show aired a lot of the mustang parts houses are stocking the steel plate to put between the trunk and rear seat.

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JAAZZY
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posted 08-09-2001 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since you bring up fuel cell I was wondering what is it about these that make them more safe then regaulr tanks? I especially look at the plastic ones and wonder how strong they are. Could somebody explain briefly?

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mellowyellow
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posted 08-09-2001 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a Mustang Supply co. in Arizona that manufactures a steel cover that goes over the tank. It is 11 guage, a little less than 1/8", and it weighs about 26 lbs. It is shaped to fit over the tank and comes with all the hardware, etc. They sent bolts but I am going to use 5/16 grade 8. It is called Tank-Armor. In a recent issue of M&Fords, Smart installed one in his 67 cpe. It is around 190, I believe. Pricey, but it seems like a good idea. It may bend in a serious collision, but I believe that it will keep the tank from rupturing, which is what it is designed for. I'm putting it in my 68 cv.

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steve'66
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posted 08-09-2001 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JAAZZY:
Since you bring up fuel cell I was wondering what is it about these that make them more safe then regaulr tanks? I especially look at the plastic ones and wonder how strong they are. Could somebody explain briefly?

Jas,

A fuel cell has a tough flexible blader inside. Even if they get mangled they don't leak. Some are even filled with an open cell
material (like a sponge).

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-09-2001 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't put too much stock in that hype. It's just tv news sensationalism.

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
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JAAZZY
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posted 08-09-2001 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to buy one anyway for the next time I run the Silver State but I always wondered about them. I need a larger tank as well. I looked at the prices of these things.... geez, they sure don't like like they should cost so much!

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Originally posted by steve'66:
Jas,

A fuel cell has a tough flexible blader inside. Even if they get mangled they don't leak. Some are even filled with an open cell
material (like a sponge).

SteveW


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steve'66
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posted 08-09-2001 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're probably not going to get rearended on the SilverState run. But fuelcells are great safety devices.

BTW the ones made to fit our classics are about $300 more than a generic sized cell. Jay was looking into making an adapter plate. How'd that work out Jay?

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JAAZZY
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posted 08-09-2001 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is required for the higher speed classes... It wasn't required in the 145 class but is in the 160+ classes.

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Originally posted by steve'66:
You're probably not going to get rearended on the SilverState run. But fuelcells are great safety devices.

BTW the ones made to fit our classics are about $300 more than a generic sized cell. Jay was looking into making an adapter plate. How'd that work out Jay?

SteveW


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sigtauenus
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posted 08-09-2001 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
I wouldn't put too much stock in that hype. It's just tv news sensationalism.


Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, honest!

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steve'66
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posted 08-09-2001 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sigtauenus:
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say, honest!

As far as safety is concerned I'd worry more about the steering columm that's gonna spear you when you rear end someone else. Melissa's '66 has been rear ended twice, and recieved two new gas tanks. They were only 20-30 mph hits, but still. At 50mph or so the passenger compartment would be full of gas without some protection. We'll never make them as safe as a new Volvo, but it doesn't hurt to try.

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JAAZZY
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posted 08-09-2001 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,

I could swear I saw an add for a collapsable column somewhere.

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Doc
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posted 08-09-2001 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I worked in a wrecking yard (it was a long time ago so it wasn't a recycling facility) and of all the cars that were burned none were from a fuel tank rupture, they had fuel line breaks and more than once the fire was started by flares being put out for safety . This is not to say a fuel tank rupture never caused a fire but the media watches the movies and believe "all" cars blow up 3 or 4 times when wrecked. I take all safety precautions with a race car but I don't figure a street car is a bomb just because it carries gas. I still think they should put the drivers seat on the front bumper and after a time there won't be any wrecks .

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-10-2001 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is also a panel they sell that mounts behind the rear seat and isolates the trunk area.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC
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mellowyellow
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posted 08-10-2001 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Smart installed BOTH the tank-armor cover and the partition behind the seat. He showed them both in his article. Between the two panels, it's close to 50 llbs. If you're not racing on the strip, it makes no difference, especially if it saves you life!

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Ralph Rebandt
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posted 08-11-2001 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ralph Rebandt   Click Here to Email Ralph Rebandt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So ya'all . . . it sounds like the consensus is that this is more hype than not, and if I do look in my rear view mirror, it shouldn't be a problem

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-11-2001 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's up to you, Ralph. I have the same set-up in my Mach 1 and I don't plan to change a thing.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC
Ford. The closer you look, the better WE look!

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Jeff
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posted 08-11-2001 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff   Click Here to Email Jeff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Tank Armor in my '65 2+2. It is a nicely crafted plate that bolts through existing bolt holes. It has a couple strips of dampening material to ensure the tank and the tank armor plate don't resonate and make noise. The fuel filler pipe is open and filled with a gasket made of hardware store style aluminized foam insulation. The kit fits well and does what it is advertized to do. That is, add an extra layer of sheet metal between you and the fuel. Since the Tank Armor plate is much more rigid than the tank, the chances are the tank will burst out the bottom before bursting out the top (which takes care of the major concern - fuel in the passenger compartment). If you want more safety than Tank Armor offers then you want a racing fuel cell with bladder tank (like airplanes have). There's a company that makes these, I know Dallas Mustang carries them, saw one in their store in Dallas just a day or two ago. Tank Armor sells mail order for about $180. A bladder tank sells for about $1,000.

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