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7DMACH1
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posted 08-07-2001 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I cracked a piston skirt on my 70 Mach 351c. The bottom end was rebuild by the PO about 15 yrs. ago and about 50,000 miles. It's 30 over now and I was thinking should I make it a stroker or not. Either 377 or 424. It's a show/ street car. Any advise. It' Restomod. Thanx Ray

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1970 MACH 1 351C 4SPD
1986 CAPRI 5.0 5 spd.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8

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steve'66
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posted 08-07-2001 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray,

A stroker needs better rods and lighter pistons to survive the increased piston speeds that the longer stroke will create. If you want to limit the rpms under what you're used to then, you can do it with the stock parts. But, C's like to rev! So for that reason alone I would leave it alone and if anything raise the h.p. band with a new cam and enjoy! You'll love it! We have a member, Rob (KidV) running low 10s with a 351C (unstroked). Maybe he'll give you his thoughts. Personally I do not like strokers. In my opinion, strokers belong in 4X4 trucks where the bottom end torque is an advantage.

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kid vishus
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posted 08-07-2001 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do like stroked clevelands, when they are assembled witht he right parts, they make tremondous amounts of power and live forever. But for a street car that isnt going to see 7500 rpms, or 550+ hp, I feel they are a waste of money. If you can keep the rpms at a reasonable level, 6500, and keep the compression down,(less than 11-1 unless you are using flattops) a stock stroke C will live a long and happy life. Yours is a perfect example.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-08-2001 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't go more than .030" on a Cleveland, for starters. Is the block still square?

Stroking will give you more bottom end torque, but I wouldn't bother unless you wanted to race it. Stroking is not cheap.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 M code 351C 4V/FMX/3.25 open
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC
Ford. The closer you look, the better WE look!

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7DMACH1
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posted 08-08-2001 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
REMEMBER I'M A CAR DEALER, MONEY I NO OBJECT.

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1970 MACH 1 351C 4SPD
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steve'66
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posted 08-08-2001 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 7DMACH1:
REMEMBER I'M A CAR DEALER, MONEY IS NO OBJECT.


LOL! That was good philly..

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H8CHEVY
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posted 08-08-2001 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H8CHEVY   Click Here to Email H8CHEVY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shoot!! throw a stroker my way then!

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kid vishus
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posted 08-08-2001 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid vishus   Click Here to Email kid vishus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How about tossing me one too?

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MrXerox
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posted 08-08-2001 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrXerox   Click Here to Email MrXerox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"No fact, just brag"

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68F100
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posted 08-08-2001 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68F100   Click Here to Email 68F100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Stroking is not cheap.



I thought it was free

LOL! Stewwie, you want some of this? HAHA!! I'm on a roll tonight.

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7DMACH1
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posted 08-10-2001 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it looks like a 396 stroker is what my engine builder recomends for the street. Anything bigger would have too small of a piston. So that's where I'm at but it's still not 100% final. Going to pull the motor this weekend. I like N A S T Y street cars and this will see some track use.

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1970 MACH 1 351C 4SPD
1986 CAPRI 5.0 5 spd.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8

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7DMACH1
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posted 08-10-2001 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MRXEROX, what did you mean by that reply. This is the facts, I have $15,000.00 in my car fund, do you think that's enough to build this motor. RAY THE WISE *** PHILLY BOY. THIS IS WHY I SAID MONEY IS NO OBJECT AND I MEANT IT!!!!

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1970 MACH 1 351C 4SPD
1986 CAPRI 5.0 5 spd.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8

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MrXerox
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posted 08-10-2001 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrXerox   Click Here to Email MrXerox     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like a classic case of "car dealer disease". I really do not care how much money you have and I am sure not many other people on this forum do either. Most of us are here to help save each other a few bucks by performing work on our vehicles personally and reporting what works and what does not work to others from experience. In my humble opinion that $15,000 just might NOT be enough if you are purchasing "Performer RPM" manifolds and experimental fuel injection systems for your Cleveland

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7DMACH1
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posted 08-10-2001 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 7DMACH1   Click Here to Email 7DMACH1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you don't want to know how much money I have why would you post a reply "all brag not fact" I just wanted you to know the facts. No hard feelings though. I am not going to fuel inject it now just something I was kicking around. I think I have enough money to build the motor though. I listened to what everyone said about the edelbrock performer and It's going to be made into recycled beer cans. Just wanted you thoughts on fuel injection and I wanted it just for the novelity of it. Kinsler said a ball park figure would be about $5,000.00. That is a lot of money and that's why I'm still kicking it around. Ray the always listening Philly boy. THANX

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1970 MACH 1 351C 4SPD
1986 CAPRI 5.0 5 spd.
2001 LINCOLN LS V8

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