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T5owner
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posted 07-31-2001 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T5owner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A fellow club editor has found a W-Code 68 (stamped on the tag). According to Kevin Marti files, it was originally produced as an S-code, but it has a 427 in it, is heavily modified and clearly shows W-code stamps on both tags. Exported originally to Belgium back then.
I do not have time to read through my MM,MF and MI. I know you guys know your stuff. Can you lift me on your level of expertise and respond with the known facts/fallacies of this long searched for W-code 68? Any hint appreciated.
Our assumption is that it was originally produced as an S-code, then re-fitted with a 427 by Ford or a dealer or sb. not so nice guy, however we would like to know better. It is a white Fastback (no pictures yet).

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mellowyellow
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posted 07-31-2001 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't know any better than Kevin Marti, who has a contract with Ford to sell info on all Ford cars built from 67-73. These are FORD records. It's as good as it gets!

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posted 07-31-2001 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew it! I have been telling everyone who would listen that at least one WAS indeed built, but more like two or three.

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68F100
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posted 07-31-2001 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 68F100   Click Here to Email 68F100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.carmemories.com/cgi-bin/test.cgi?submitter=6


is this a fake?

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mellowyellow
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posted 07-31-2001 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would imagine that some were refitted after being built. Some of those drag cars. Then there were the dealer specials like Yenko Camaros, Novas and Grand- Spaulding Dodges ala Mr. Norm.{remember those Chi town bombs?}Who knows about ALL the Tasca Ford Specials? Reading stuff that Jerry Heasley has uncovered, I believe that anything is possible.And it's possible that they were built and not recorded.Some of those
DSO 84 Home Office Reserve Cars could harbor a few "skeletons in the closet" I think there was supposed to be a 68 427 Shelby or alleged to be. A couple years ago, there was a prototype 68 "Shelby Coupe" or something t was featured in MMonthly and M&Fords. I doubt that it is listed in Kevin's tapes. AND it's even possible that one could end up in Europe. A few 67 racers turned up in France and/or Belgium. I guess we'll never REALLY know for sure! T-5 should consider trying to contact Jerry Heasley. He has researched a lot of this stuff.

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posted 08-01-2001 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A "dealer" retro fit car would have NEVER been restamped. It would have been illegal to do so. Only the factory who would issue the MSO can restamp a car's VIN. If the VIN was stamped with a "W" then the factory did it.

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posted 08-01-2001 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T5owner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
68F150 - The 427 Shelby is probably not a fake. Some are known to have been built, although they were also stamped with an S code. (As documented in the MUSTANG Production Guide by Smart/Haskell).
Acc. to Jerry Heasley's write-ups, one W-code 68 had been claimed from Australia, but it has not been sufficiently documented over the years.
Hope we will be able (with Iso Schwager's) help to document at least this one, which is now in Switzerland. Stay tuned.
The car has some strange - probably - race intended - modifications.

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posted 08-01-2001 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have any pictures or a complete VIN?

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mustangs68
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posted 08-01-2001 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mustangs68   Click Here to Email mustangs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wolfgang any info you can pass our way will be welcomed

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T5owner
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posted 08-02-2001 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T5owner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I was probably a little bit too quick in posting. Have to respect the owners and swiss detectives privacy just in case. I will keep you updated soon.
Some bits more:
It has a ultrarare Seat Belts Delete Option (could make sense only for a race car). The VIN is 8T02W19..... on both the lower windshield tag and door tag.(VIN known, but pls. wait)(produced as 8T02S19.... acc. to K.Marti report). Door tag info is different from the K. Marti report. K. Marti reports it as a DSO 85, but being exported to Belgium. The door tag info shows a DSO 92.

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posted 08-02-2001 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is FoMoCo documentation of "S" code cars that were changed to "Q" code cars at the DEARBORN assembly plant and shipped to AO Smith for 68 GT-500 Shelby conversions. They did not have the time to swap them out at AO Smith so FoMoCo installed the 428's. So the "W" code possibility is very viable.

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posted 08-02-2001 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
There is FoMoCo documentation of "S" code cars that were changed to "Q" code cars at the DEARBORN assembly plant and shipped to AO Smith for 68 GT-500 Shelby conversions. They did not have the time to swap them out at AO Smith so FoMoCo installed the 428's. So the "W" code possibility is very viable.


Rick Kopec in the "Shelby AMerican Guide has some interesting comments. He says that no more than 50 68 Gt 500's were produced with a 400 hp 427. He also says: a few Gt-500's came through with standard 390 engines, instead of the 428's. Buyers were not made aware of this-the dealers themselves probably didn't know-and it was most likely the result of an interruption in the parts flow cause by a strike in l968". Like Dean Martin sang--"ain't that a kick in the head"!

While it's not mentioned in the book, the redo of the vins between 69-70 Shelbys was supervised by the govenrment. FBI, I believe. To change the vin is a Federal offense.

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