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Fastback68
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posted 07-09-2001 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I've been doing some studying, and these xenon HID (high intensity discharge) lamps are not an option, they are a MUST for people like me. I'm very uncomfortable driving at night away from street lights.
Has anyone fitted them? I've never bought headlamps before and would like to know if Mustang headlamps fall under some kind of standard in terms of size and shape. I can't just take a sample to my local auto store because I'm told these aren't available in the Philippines yet.
Thanks!

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mvierow
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posted 07-09-2001 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mvierow   Click Here to Email mvierow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A friend of mine wanted to do this upgrade in his BMW 325. It was a simple swap from the M3 lamps into the 325 and it still cost him $3000 just for the parts. The reason is each bulb requires a special converter to drive the lamps, plus the lamps themselves are no off the shelf item. I think it was something like $500 per lamp, $1000 per converter or some where similar. Since all of the cars that have these lights in them are new luxury cars that use 'Projection' style lamps, I doubt finding a working conversion will be an easy task. But if you have money, then I am sure any type of conversion is possible.

If all you are interested in is extra light why don't you look into a set of quality fog lamps? Atleast those you could go to an actual store to buy, install in an hour or two, and save, oh... 2800 dollars plus fabrication cost.

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65coupei6
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posted 07-09-2001 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65coupei6   Click Here to Email 65coupei6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You better look out when buying "HID". Most of the true systems cost $$. There really isn't any affordable way to convert to HID. You can only get the bulbs that "SIMLUATE" HID.

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Fastback68
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posted 07-09-2001 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aaah -- yes, my research has been continuing and you guys are right. Doing it for real costs huge bucks. I think fog lights must be the way to go.
If I buy a repro pair of GT foglights will they be halogen? I'll start looking ...
Simon

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SundanceKid
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posted 07-10-2001 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mustang headlamps are 7" round and are the most common size standard lamp if you want the absolute best lighting for your stang switch to a halogen light setup that uses a H4 bulb (rplaceable) get a Cib'e (best) or Hella E-code (good) H4 convertion lamp kit forget about DOT approved filtering and get E-Code lenses.

Once you have the replaceable bulbs you will have a huge selection of bulb whattages up to 130 whatts (Must use relays and large wire for 130W bulbs)
Go here for more info on E-code and H-4 lights;

http://lighting.mbz.org/

It is a business site that I have never bought from but has excellent info.
I have H-4 lights and they work WAY better then standard sealed halogens.

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SundanceKid
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posted 07-10-2001 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, and for those into color bulbs with H-4 bulbs you can get ion yellow, hyper white, crystal blue filtering.

On a Mustang you will have to cut a hole behind the light houseing, but after that if a light goes out it's a simple bulb change from the rear. No tearing the whole headlamp out and re-alighning them again ect.

[This message has been edited by SundanceKid (edited 07-10-2001).]

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Fastback68
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posted 07-10-2001 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Sundance, great link! I'm gonna learn everything there is to know about lights and converting old cars.

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65coupei6
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posted 07-10-2001 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65coupei6   Click Here to Email 65coupei6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put in Tri-bars in my Stang with halogens. Big difference. You do have to cut the rear of the cup to get them in right. Then all you do is add a relay at your dimmer switch. I have a diagram I made up somewhere if anyone wants it I will post it.

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65coupei6
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posted 07-10-2001 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65coupei6   Click Here to Email 65coupei6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I forgot here is another good link...
http://autobulbdepot.com/

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bluetech
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posted 07-11-2001 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluetech   Click Here to Email bluetech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Simon, if you stumble upon an extra pair of those GT lights please let me know. I also need them for my 67 GT Fastback. What ever happened to the overhead console? Has it been installed yet? Regards.

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Fastback68
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posted 08-15-2001 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I missed this one! No, the overhead console never got installed 'cos I never confirmed that it's the right console. It LOOKS right, but there is not a part number on the whole thing! Also, I'm missing the brackets.
NEW QUESTION: I've got my Hella E-codes with 100W bulbs now. 65coupei6, you talk about adding a relay at the dimmer switch. Is this all that is needed? I'm sure I read in a thread somewhere else that the actual headlight switch needs to be beefed up, and I was wondering how to do that. Now I can't find the thread
Can anyone help? Is the relay all I need?
Thanks,
Simon

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65coupei6
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posted 08-15-2001 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 65coupei6   Click Here to Email 65coupei6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you will need to change the switch. Just make sure all your wiring is good and not old. Halogen lamps can put more stress on them since they pull alittle more power. I have the diagram where to put the relay in. I just have to post it for you.
So far I have not had any problems with my halogens installed and the relay.

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Fastback68
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posted 08-15-2001 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes please! Could you post that diagram here?
Thanks a lot!

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John Z
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posted 08-15-2001 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John Z   Click Here to Email John Z     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a diagram
http://www.texasinternet.com/~dsigns/james/headlights.htm

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Billgear
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posted 08-15-2001 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Billgear   Click Here to Email Billgear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also did the Tr-bar headlights, the are awesome. I used a relay setup from painless wiring. It plugs into you existing light wiring, has relays and new sockets for your
new lights. The power comes directly of my battery for a full 13.5 volts.

Regards,
Billgear
www.289mustang.com

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 08-15-2001 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw a news report a few weeks ago that said some states are working on laws to ban the HID headlights.

They are great for the driver, but blind oncoming traffic.

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Doc
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posted 08-15-2001 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here (San Fran Ca bay area) there's probably one in ten cars that have the headlights adjusted correctly, and then there are the people that just drive with their brights on. At my age, bright lights are blinding (as if I'm not blind enough anyway ) and the HIDs are fine except for the misadjusted ones. It'd just be cool to enforce the existing law of adjustment.

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Fastback68
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posted 08-15-2001 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastback68   Click Here to Email Fastback68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the links I followed from this thread explains how in Europe, technology is being enforced that makes HID headlights somehow follow the suspension, not the car body. This means that when you go over a bump, the lights stay down while the body goes up. I believe a real problem is the height of some cars in the first place. All these SUVs are too high off the ground to avoid blinding others.

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Doc
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posted 08-15-2001 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point!

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If you had a rubber cam would it get wilder as the RPMs go up?

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SundanceKid
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posted 08-18-2001 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the US would just use E-code (Europe) lenses instead of crap DOT (in US only) lenses all would be much better for both sides the driver would be able to see better and on-coming trafic would have less glare!

Dot lenses "filter" and spreads the light, were E-code lenses deflect the light for a more distinct horizon effect.

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