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SundanceKid
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posted 06-29-2001 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who makes a manual 4spd ratchet shifter for the ford toploader? I can't remember what hurst called them? Anyone know were to get one?
Also what are the ways you can tell if your toploader is a close ratio or not? Well, other than the input shaft splines that is.

Thanks for any help.

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steve'66
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posted 06-29-2001 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kid,

You can ID the tranny from the toploader ID chart on this site. Here's a link to the site and the Hurst V-gate shifter.

http://www.4speedtoploaders.com/hurst.htm

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SundanceKid
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posted 06-30-2001 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey thanks Steve! That is an awesome site! Added it to my favorites LOL

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steve'66
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posted 06-30-2001 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kid,

No problem, it's an M&M link. Pretty cool site.

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SundanceKid
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posted 07-03-2001 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One more question, can't seem to find any HEH-### numbers on my 4 spd were are the model numbers located at?
I found a block with numbers on it at the very bottom but none on either side and I can't get to the top to see. If it is on the top I can go to the trouble of getting a mirror in there but if it's not.....?

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Rory McNeil
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posted 07-03-2001 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can`t use the input splines as an indication as to close or wide ratio toploaders. They all have 10 splines,1 1/16" for 390 & smaller engines,1 3/8" for 427,428,&429`s. All the large inputs were originally 2.32 first gear close ratio, the small input could be close, or 2.78 first geared wide ratio`s. Also, the small input was available with 2 different length input shafts, as the small blocks had a slightly longer pilot bearing section than the FE engine. I think the differance is about 3/8"

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Rory McNeil
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posted 07-03-2001 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, the HEH,RUG numbers are stamped into a metal tag riveted to the right side of the main case,near the front, near the bottom.
As for checking for close vs wide ratio, put the trans in low gear, & turn the input shaft after marking both the input & output shafts for posistion. If it takes less than 2 1/2 revolutions of the input to turn the tailshaft one revolution,its a close ratio, if it requires 2 3/4 turns, its a wide ratio.
As for engine block numbers, IF it has them, they are stamped into the back of the block, just below the head gasket deck surface. (on FE engines anyways). Most Ford engines are NOT stamped, normally just the high performance models, such as 428 CJ`s the BOSS engines, and I think the 271 HP 289, & 429 CJ.

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posted 07-03-2001 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the block numbers, I was refering to the cars serial number being stamped into the block. If you are refering to the blocks CASTING #`s, most have them at the R lower area near the starter.FE`s are usually on the side of the block.

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SundanceKid
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posted 07-04-2001 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actualy, I was refering to a block on the bottom of the trans with numbers cast into it, not the "engine" block. The car was originaly a 3spd 2V 289 but now to my best knowledge has a 302, and a 4spd for sure. So the tag is at the bottom near the front? Sounds like it should be easy to find and read! I can't seem to find one on mine of course! LOL No tags in site.

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