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Topic: How to tell its a GTA
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JohnnyBadBoy
Journeyman Posts: 11
From: Bloomsburg, PA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-20-2001 06:43 PM
   
I'm looking to buy a 67 GTA, so i ordered a Marti Auto VIN report(excellent service i might add)on the car, and no where does it list the GT option package any where. The owner insists its a GTA. It does have the interior decor group and exterior decor group listed as options. Any help is greatly appreciated.
JohnP.S. great forum
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-20-2001 06:47 PM
Welcome to M&M Johnny B  > the only tell tale way to absolutly tell if the car is an original 67 GT is by the exhaust hanger holes in the rear subframes. If the holes are drilled and the threaded nuts are welded in for dual exhaust tail pipes on both sides then chances are 90% that it is a true GTA. No holes with welded nuts and no GT!  Alex------------------
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Dave Gibson
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From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921
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posted 06-20-2001 08:45 PM
Yes, it is the same for the early stangs, also.  Dave & Terri ------------------
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-20-2001 08:49 PM
Concerning the GTA. 1967 is the only year that they called an automatic GT a GTA. It is also the only year that Ford offered a 2bbl GT. The exhaust hanger deal would not ring true in that case as duals were not standard on the 2 bbl GT. The option list lists duals as standard on 390 and 289 High Performance V-8. On the equip list on Kevin's printout, It should no doubt list the GT equip group. Let the buyer beware. This info. came from the "1967 Mustang Illustrated Facts and Specification Manual"
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-20-2001 08:57 PM
Johnny: Not all 67 GT's came with the interior decor group. I just looked at a 67 390 GT fastback in a back issue of MMonthly with standard black interior.Welcome TO M&M I hope that the info shared by everyone helps you
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-20-2001 09:08 PM
Although I have heard rumors and ramblings about so called 2 barrel "C" code 67 Mustang GT's, I have never seen one, nor have I ever read about any documentation which proves their existance. Sort of like the "W" code 427 in 1968. It was on the option list, but nobody has yet to find one.  Every "A", "K", or "S" code GTA 67 Mustang that I have ever seen since 1967 has had dual exhaust. If you have the holes with nuts in your rear subframes, chances are pretty good that you have a GT from 65 to 68. ------------------
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JohnnyBadBoy
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From: Bloomsburg, PA
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posted 06-20-2001 10:40 PM
This is the add for the car, http://www.cars-on-line.com/67must5730.html, like i said the Marti report says no GT equipment option. The owner still thinks its a GT. Still a nice looking car though
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JohnnyBadBoy
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posted 06-20-2001 10:42 PM
try this http://www.cars-on-line.com/67must5730.html thanks for the help
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-20-2001 10:43 PM
Johnny. If your Mustang GTA printout has PIO on it---it means performance image option. refers to the GT equip. group.
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kcode
Gearhead Posts: 3296
From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-20-2001 11:56 PM
Two other tell tale signs of a 65-66 dual exhaust car will be two studs through the rear floor pans, a set on each side, muffler hanger attached to them. Also the rear brake line junction bracket will be mounted close to the left side frame rail. A single exhaust car had the junction bracket close to the drive shaft tunnel. I agree with Alex, the only dual exhaust 65-66 were Hipo or GTs. In 67 the only small block that duals were available was the Hipo. Try to find a Ford part number for an H pipe for a A or C code, only a K code. Most of what you see today are add on systems. Mike
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-21-2001 12:15 AM
I have to agree about the dual exhaust. An A code would no doubt be a GT. The statement that I made before which is documented, is that there were some C code GT's in l967. On these cars, dual exhaust was not standard. Mustang Monthly has featured some and the reprint of the factory specs book makes a reference to them. I have seen one. It's true, many of them were fakes, I had one. I believe that Kevin Marti is the source to prove it. How do these bru ha's start LOL! I guess that there are so many variables to our hobby. MMonthly has made mistakes, also and so have I. But it is interesting to get the right info, so will contact Kevin tomorrow. There happens to be one that I know of that is probably a faker. The only way to bee able to tell, on the C cod one, is a Marti report. Again, hope that you guys have a safe, fun trip. Pete
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Doc
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From: Redwood City, Ca. USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 06-21-2001 01:24 AM
I was gonna start another post but the brain trust is already here so, I just read an ad for a 67 GTA K code, it's in Sweden and he says they only made 114 of them. It's no surprise that I've never seen or heard of one before but did the HiPo 289 get into the GTA?------------------
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Robert K
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From: Nashville, TN
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-21-2001 08:21 AM
Why all the fuss over whether it's a true GT or not. The car in the ad looks great. If it's solid and drives good, you can't build one for $9800. I know I've got more than that in my 65 fastback. So what if the car never did really have the GT equipment but has it now. It doesn't seem like the owner has unnecessarily jacked the price up because it's a GT. You'll pay about that price for any nice fastback.
Just my .02------------------
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 7401
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posted 06-21-2001 08:41 AM
Robert. You're right! What difference does it make. Sorry I made an issue of it. Agaon, have a safe trip everyone and don't do anything that I'd do. LOL!
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RICKS
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From: Ocala, FL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 06-21-2001 10:01 AM
I've seen plenty of C-code '67 GTA's over the years. My stepfather used to store a C-code '67 GTA convertible that belonged to a family that he was friends with. They were the original owners, and the car was 100% original and unaltered, even had the original paint and convertible top. It was dog-eared and faded, rusty in places, but virgin and unaltered or dorked with from bumper to bumper. VERY lightly optioned, power steering/brakes and AM radio was all it had in the way of goodies. Lime Gold, with a standard Ivy Gold interior. No console, no interior or exterior decor groups, just a basic car. Single exhaust. "Herky" (who passed away last year) had kept the original window sticker and invoice, and it was indeed a GTA. Don't ask me details on how the option was listed, or its code, I saw that invoice back when I was 18 or 19 years old. I think his identical twin sons still have the car, and knowing them I'll bet it gets restored some day.
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-21-2001 11:23 AM
By the way, I consider Pete (mellowyellow) an authority on the subject of authenticating most any early 65-68 Mustang options as he has probably owned or worked on as many as I have. ------------------
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289gta
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: Bellevue, Washington USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-21-2001 11:38 AM
Hello! New man here. A good friend brought me to this board as I am having some trouble idenitfying my car as well. I bought a 1967 GT-A about three weeks ago and it is a C code as well... 114 of them??? Yikes! What makes mine more of a headache is that the color code comes up as 'W'... Not a color listed as standard for 1967. The color code is GulfStream Aqua. The car has the front sway bar, dual exhaust, and a minor interior group option, just the console and also the seat belt warnign light. There are fog lights as well on the exterior and someone added the dual exhaust tips at one time... Can anyone tell me if they know how rare this car may be??? My email address is [email protected] Thanks for the help and I will be asking and posting a lot more soon! Thanks to Dan Warren for getting me here!!!
Mr Trooper
AKA Matt Gauthier
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-21-2001 12:41 PM
Welcome to M&M Matt ! Glad to have you with us. A "C" code with dual exhuast huh? That would be a good one to authenticate. ------------------
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mellowyellow
Gearhead Posts: 7401
From: So. Fl.
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 06-21-2001 01:33 PM
The C code GTA cv that my friend in NC owns has dual exhaust but it is NOT factory. It originally had single exhaust. It has none of the hangers, reinforcements, etc. that a factory dual exhaust car would have. I believe that they came with single exhaust but watch someone come up with proof of a factory order car that has them. After reading about these cars and seeing them etc, I think anything is possible, like a 66 Shelby with a blue interior {they made 2} Nothing is absolute and we all make mistakes-like yesterday when I said that American Designer pans were not thicker than original. Along comes an authority and blows me out of the water!! LOL!! I'm a seasoned {old fart} man who has been around the block a couple times and I'll be in deep s**t the day I quit learning. So, for about the third time, I hope that you Renoites stay out of trouble and have a blast!
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Dave Gibson
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From: Norfolk, Virginia, USA M&M#166 MCA#47921
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posted 06-21-2001 04:59 PM
Matt,
Welcome to Mustangsandmore.com. You best bet for information and confirmation on your Mustang is to get in touch with Kevin Marti. Use the link at the top of the page and let him know that you are a member of Mustangsandmore.com please. Kevin has all the build sheets from Ford Motor Company for Mustangs from 1967 to 1973. He does charge a fee for the information, but it is well worth the money. Again, welcome to the M&M extended family.Dave & Terri
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289gta
Journeyman Posts: 13
From: Bellevue, Washington USA
Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 06-22-2001 02:40 AM
Thanks for the kind welcomes. I am turning 30 next month and truly love Mustangs. MY first encounter was a 1068 289 coupe my dad had when I was 6. My brother and I called it a racecar due to the glasss packs that were on board and the speed of the car.
He had to sell it when I was 9 due to it freezing up over the winter nad since we were a family on a very tight monthly budget, he let it go for $300.00.... Sigh...Now to the car I have. I agree that the report is the best way to go. The color code is what has me most intrigued. Although not a total fan of the gulfstream Aqua color, it is a little exciting to own a car with a special paint code, and even more exciting that theis may be, albeit a long shot here, a one only car...Thanks for the help here and I will be psoting what the MArti report says. If anyone is going to the Bellevue Show hee in Washington for the Mustang round-up, look up my Wife and I in the 1967 section. I am 6' and weigh 220...brown hair and hazel eyes... Sound like a personal add huh??? You cannot miss the car. It will have some Star Wars stuff around the back of the fold down seat area.. My other vice and passion... The car is red right now (cringe...) but we plan to restore it to orignal color once funds recoup when we finish the Eleanor 1967 GT500 from the film..... Happy 'Stanging!!!!! Matt
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RICKS
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From: Ocala, FL
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 06-22-2001 10:32 AM
Matt, I may be bursting your bubble a bit, but I've got some good info on your car. Paint code "W" stands for "Clearwater Aqua", not Gulfstream, and it is a lighter shade of aqua than the Gulfstream. It was not a special code, was readily available in 1967, and is not particularly rare. Kevin Marti's book shows that a total of 21,778 Mustangs were code "W" Clearwater Aqua cars in '67, 17,542 coupes, 2,411 fastbacks and 1,825 convertibles. The "W" code is listed as a standard available color in every reference book I've got, and I've got an OLD Sherwin Williams paint chip book that shows the color (it's a beautiful color) as a 1967-only Ford Clearwater Aqua Metallic code "W", Sherwin Williams #2573-G. Ditzler is 13073, DuPont is 4787, and Ford is 1908-A. Give me the color and trim of your interior, and I'll tell you exactly how many were made of your combination. It's a coupe, right??
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RICKS
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posted 06-22-2001 10:35 AM
P.S. I'll be in Bellevue
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-22-2001 11:21 AM
There's a man here in our club that has a Clearwater Aqua 67 coupe {not a GTA or GT} but a very beautiful car. It has a black vinyl top and tutone aqua interior. It is a VERY nice color.
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289gta
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From: Bellevue, Washington USA
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posted 06-25-2001 08:01 PM
Ricks, No, it is a fastback... I was not able to find that darn paint code, tha tis why I was thinking rare... OH well....I will send more info to you later. Just got back into town... Matt
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289gta
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From: Bellevue, Washington USA
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posted 06-26-2001 02:34 AM
OK, here we go... Here is the data code as it reads:Body: 63A
Color: W
Trim: 2A
Date: 13J
DSO: 74
Axle: 1
Trans: W I think the color I would have to see before venturing an opionion. I ma sure it looks nice when new, but man it does not look god under the black some one sprayed on the engine area as it comes through.... YUCK! If the car is rare, then it gets restored... If it is a dime a dozen, then it gets transformed.... I know it is a rare C code GT-A, but the rarity would have to be how many were made I guess...Someone said 114??? Not too rare to me.... Thanks again for the help Ricks, It is very appreciated. I owe you a cold drink once the Bellevue show is here... Look me up for it... In the 1967 Mustang section of course!!!
Matt
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RICKS
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posted 06-26-2001 10:21 AM
The 114 figure was in referrence to "K" code 289 hipo '67 cars. Those are indeed rare. Anyways, here goes:63A .... standard interior fastback
W .... Clearwater Aqua
2A .... black standard bucket interior
13J ... Sept 13th 1966 build (pretty early!)
74 ... Seattle DSO (stayed close to home!)
1 .... 3.00:1 open differential
W .... C-4 Automatic According to the Marti book, there were 2,411 total Clearwater Aqua fastbacks built in '67, of which only 639 had the "2A" black standard interior. That's as far as I can extrapolate from the book. "Rare" can be a loaded or figurative term. Just about anybody can distill their Mustang down to colors features and powertrain and come up with something "rare" to say about their car! And sometimes "rare" isn't exactly a good thing, like "I've got one of only THREE pea-green four-door base model '65 Galaxies built with a 200 6-cylinder mated to a floor mounted four speed!!!!" It's o.k., everybody understandably dreams about owning a special car. Anyways, I'm just giving you some perspective. Your car does not apply to the previous example. My view of your car is.... it's decently rare and desireable, especially given that it's a GTA. The color, of course done nicely, is a knockout in my opinion. It may be a real coin-toss what you should do, but hopefully you'll find another Clearwater Aqua '67 at the show to ponder over.
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Rory McNeil
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posted 06-26-2001 11:52 AM
I may be wrong, but I was always under the impression that Ford built 572 "K" code 67 Mustangs, or do the GT350 Shelby`s come out of that number?
Maybe it`s like the 68-70 428 CJ cars, where the 68 production figures are 2,827 units, while the 70 numbers are 2,671 cars.
I`ve seen a LOT more 70`s than 68 CJ cars, however a good percentage of the 68 cars were GT500KR models.
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-26-2001 01:10 PM
According to "Mustang by the Numbers" by Kevin MArti, there were 489 K Mustangs which does not include the GT350. This is for cp, FB and cv.
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RICKS
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posted 06-26-2001 04:57 PM
The 114 figure appears to be the production total for K-code automatic fastbacks only. I was just clarifying for 289gta that "114" was mentioned in reference to K-code cars, not his C-code. How did we survive before Marti's "...by the numbers"???? One of my best buddies is still crying the blues over selling his '69 Winter Blue Mach 1 with original red interior back in the early '90's. Now he has this book, and realizes his car was one of FIVE ever produced! Likely the only one left. Ouch.
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Moneymaker
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posted 06-26-2001 05:34 PM
We (as in more than me) saw a REAL small block 67 GTA and a few fakes at the Reno car show. I am pretty certain that I can identify a real one absolutly now (although, with classic Mustangs, we all know that NOTHING is absolute). There were two "C" code phonys and one "A" code REAL GTA's there. I will post the photo's tonight. ------------------
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mellowyellow
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posted 06-26-2001 07:27 PM
Let me ask a hypothetical question. {LOL!} If you had a straight rustfree, unmoleted Mustang that needed paint, interior, trim, etc. and let's say the color was Lime green with an "avocado" interior. and the thought of leaving it that way was depressing and made you sick at the thought {LMAO!} For the sake of originality so as to "not spoil the breed" would you refrain from painting it, say Nighmist blue with a parchment interior?? It would probably take this desecrater of originality a New York minute to make that decision. Keep in mind that you would still be sticking with an original comination! Like to hear some other opinions.
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Fastback68
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posted 06-26-2001 09:16 PM
If it needed paint and interior anyway, I'd change the colors right away. It's still the same car. My Mum used to have brown hair, then grey, and now (in her sixties) she's a honey blonde! But she's still my original Mum - if you get my drift P.S.: Body piercing (other than earrings) and tatoos would be a different matter. THAT would be desecration. [This message has been edited by Fastback68 (edited 06-26-2001).]
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kcode
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From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
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posted 06-26-2001 10:50 PM
Pete,
This is a real answer to your question, you all know how I feel about originality  , I would paint the car to be the color I wanted, not the color someone says it should be. Don't get me wrong, concours cars are nice to look at, but give me my Modified drivers to have fun with. The MCA Gods are going to frown upon me for this. ------------------
Mike Golliver
MCA Assistant National Head Judge-Modifieds
65 Kcode coupe modified 5-speed
66 convertible-3 dueces and a 5-speed with a 289
65 Fastback -GT-350H clone vintage racer with a massive cracked block
89 T-Bird Super coupe
01 Mustang GT Convt
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Fastback68
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posted 06-27-2001 01:50 AM
Maybe I was being a bit obtuse IMHO, changing the paint, engine, rear end, all sorts of stuff does not desecrate the breed. What really changes it is adding external, visible parts like spoilers, scoops, etc. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to build my own Eleanor one day. But I'd never start off with a 'stang in good condition. It would have to be a mess already.
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Tom G
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posted 06-11-2005 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by 289gta:
Hello! New man here. A good friend brought me to this board as I am having some trouble idenitfying my car as well. I bought a 1967 GT-A about three weeks ago and it is a C code as well... 114 of them??? Yikes! What makes mine more of a headache is that the color code comes up as 'W'... Not a color listed as standard for 1967. The color code is GulfStream Aqua. The car has the front sway bar, dual exhaust, and a minor interior group option, just the console and also the seat belt warnign light. There are fog lights as well on the exterior and someone added the dual exhaust tips at one time... Can anyone tell me if they know how rare this car may be??? My email address is [email protected] Thanks for the help and I will be asking and posting a lot more soon! Thanks to Dan Warren for getting me here!!!
Mr Trooper
AKA Matt Gauthier
Gulf Strem Aqua is I beleive a 68 color not 67 check under door panel an see if you can find original color or under one of the kick panels. Maybe a Clearwater Aqua car instead!Good Luck ------------------
67 Mustang F/B 302 GT-40X FMS engine RPM Air Gap 650 BG CLAW Edelbrock 100 shot N2O Crane 1.7 rollers ceramic coated headers T5, cable clutch Flows X Pipe 3.89 9". Clearwater Aqua GT Clone Vintage wheel works 40 series 16X8 225 front 255/50 rear drag radials 13.25 @ 103mph 88 GT 5 spd 77k original miles Red and Silver
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mustangs68
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posted 06-12-2005 08:33 AM
Mustang that needed paint, interior, trim, etc. and let's say the color was Lime green with an "avocado" interior.I'd paint that damn thing Silver
(knew that get my attention didn't you..LOL) GTA is one of my Favorites BTW,like to see FoMoCo bring one out in '07 since they miss a chance in '97. Sam
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68 S-code GT
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From: Sayreville, NJ, US
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posted 06-12-2005 02:12 PM
One way to tell if the car had dual exhaust from the factory is if it still has the tie down plates attached to the rear frame. Cars that came with dual exhaust had longer ones than the cars with single exhaust. These plates were supposed to be removed from the cars when they were at the dealership but many weren?t. They might also be missing if an owner removed them of course.------------------
Ed S. 68 S-code FB GT 4spd(now C6)/3.25 PS PDB
68 J-code(now 289) Cp Sprint"B" C4/3L00-9" PDB PS AC Bla-Bla-Bla
99 F150 XLT Ext/cab, 4X4, 5.4L, 3L55
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