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project66
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posted 06-15-2001 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for project66   Click Here to Email project66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evening folks-

Got my big distributor cap today, put it on and realized my air cleaner was not going to fit over it so I'm in the market and looking for recommendations.

Carb is a Holley 650 sitting atop a Street Dominator. Distributor is a DuraSpark. I'd love to have something with Ford on it, but will settle for what works best and fits.

What do you guys/gals use?

Thanks in advance (again)-
JimO

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SteveLaRiviere
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From: Saco, Maine Toys: '70 Mustang Mach 1 - '72 Mustang Sprint - '94 F-150
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posted 06-16-2001 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would the 13" Motorsport air cleaner fit?

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Dave_C
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From: Gadsden, Al
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posted 06-16-2001 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 13" Motorsport breather is what you need. It is 13" vs 14" to be able to clear the Duraspark. I have an MSD dist, but it is the same size as the duraspark. Current intake is a Victor Jr. it clears easily, but I also ran it with a Torker II (low rise) + a 1" spacer and it cleared.

The part # is M-9600-A302. Retail is $42.95, but I see them in mags for ~$35. Comes with a paper element. Through a fair amount of research I located a proper size K & N element for it. (K & N application is a Mercedes). Take a look at it below. If anyone wants the K & N part # let me know.

Later,

David Cole

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H8CHEVY
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posted 06-16-2001 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H8CHEVY   Click Here to Email H8CHEVY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave C. hey whats the part number for that K&N I have been looking for it and havent found it yet.. I have that same air cleaner to clear my dist. too...

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Dave_C
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posted 06-16-2001 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The K & N Filter in the pic is #E-2865.
It is roughly the same as the paper filter at 2 3/8" tall. Use it if your hood clearance is tight.

I recently put on Boss 429 style scoop on my 69. Cut a hole in the hood under it. More room for a taller element. #E-3700 is what I'm using now. It is the correct diameter, but the element is 4" tall

Either one is correct diameter for he 13" Motorsport breather.

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project66
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posted 06-16-2001 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for project66   Click Here to Email project66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, guys-

Looks like the 13" Motorsport is exactly what I need. Just ran out and measured: still gonna be close.

Anybody want a 14" Moroso?

JimO

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kcode
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From: alvaton,ky,usa Suburb of Bowling Green, M&M #79, MCA #29208
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posted 06-17-2001 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim,
Since the Street Dominator isn't a tall manifold, would you gain any room by going with a spacer under the carb?

Mike

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project66
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posted 06-17-2001 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for project66   Click Here to Email project66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike-
Thanks for the response. Maybe it's because the Moroso breather I have sits high or something, cause the hood is banging it when I shut it up. Actually, kinda wanted to get it off there anyways, and the black, 13" Motorsport is looking really good to me.

Dave C: your engine looks nice. What's the black gismo sitting just inside the coil?

Happy Fathers Day, guys-
JimO

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Dave_C
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posted 06-17-2001 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the engine comment.

The black gizmo is a Moroso electric water pump drive.

Basically and electric heater blower motor with a small pulley on the shaft. Another pulley on the water pump. Prob saves a couple of hp, but the main reason for using it is to allow cool downs at the track. After a pass I can leave it and the electric fan running running with the engine shut off and cool the engine down from 190 to 120 in about 5 minutes.

Later,

David Cole

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H8CHEVY
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posted 06-17-2001 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for H8CHEVY   Click Here to Email H8CHEVY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dave that electric water pump.. it uses a special braket right? does jegs supply that braket and that pump??? does it improve the overall cooling on the engine versus the belt driven pump?? thanks...

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Dave_C
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posted 06-18-2001 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The pump drive comes in a kit, motor, bracket, spacers, an assortment of bolts. Costs about $75. But it's not something you would really want for the street. Reason is that the pump is turned at a constant 1600 rpm, ok if you are just cruising a little, at idel alot etc. But if you run it down the road at 3000 rpm for a while... The pump is only moving enough water to cool it at a lower rpm. On on drag engine it's not a problem. A few seconds at 7000 rpm, then a 2500 rpm ride up the return road, then shut off and cool down.

When I had 4.56 gears and a 4K stall converter I did drive my car some on the street. Mainly just the Sat night crusie to the local drive-in to hang out with the street rod crowd. The pump could keep up with that, but no continuous cruising. That stopped when I went to a 5500 stall converter and 5.43 gears.

I have seen everal guys run the CSI type pump on the street. There are several brand of this type pump and they all will pump over 30 gallons of water per minute. These can be street driven.

Take a look at this type pump here:
http://www.csiperformance.com/waterpumps3.html

If my current aluminum water pump bites the dust I'll get one of these.

Later,

David Cole

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