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Inliner
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From: San Antonio
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posted 05-16-2001 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inliner   Click Here to Email Inliner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Howdy folks. While mocking a few thing up I came to realize that Ford Argentina never meant for their exhaust headers to be used with a 250 engine block. Instead of the starter being tucked up nicely next to the block above the oil pan, the 250 has it in the small block location and these beautiful cast iron headers that I imported 10,000 miles from the south point right at my starter. I've got about 2-1/2" of clearance from the bottom of the manifold to the aluminum shield over the starter armature.

For pics: http://www.geocities.com/jryelverton/250.html

I work at an auto parts store and we have a lot of starters in stock that have a really small motor, but they all have a solenoid on them. I'm wondering what would happen if I removed the soleniod and ran the remote unit on my fenderwell for even more clearance. Anyone know of any aftermarket piece that would give more clearance than a stock latemodel piece? The starter in the picture is from a 300 Ford. Same as all the V8's to my knowledge. BTW, that's a C4. Thanks

John

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'68 Mustang
250/221 Argentine Head
C4, 9" rear, 3.50's, T-lock

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Doc
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posted 05-16-2001 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doc   Click Here to Email Doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We had a header clearance problem and we were able to rotate the starter and redrill the mounting flange so the solinoid was under it. Most of the solinoids are a direct pull on the bendix to engage the ring gear so I think you have to use it.

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richard bohm
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posted 05-17-2001 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for richard bohm   Click Here to Email richard bohm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
contact mean green industries. they have gear drive starters that are smaller than stock, very heavy duty, and some have a way of "clocking" them so you can gain clearance. i love these starters. i put one on my old F-250 diesel and had NO further sarter problems. mean green is in pa.

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TomP
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posted 05-17-2001 04:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do those manifolds clear the shock towers?

Neat stuff... trick looking setup.

I think because the starter is the same as a 302 you may be in luck, there is the 5.0L (91-up) mini starter and some aftermarket ones ,more squared-off looking like a Hitachi riceburner starter that are shorter in length and might clear that way.

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JAAZZY
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posted 05-17-2001 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

If your starter is the same as a 302 then I can tell you what I use. I purchased a Tilton starter from Summit. It can be mounted in several different positions. Without it I could not have fit my full length headers.

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Inliner
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posted 05-17-2001 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inliner   Click Here to Email Inliner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, thanks for all the suggestions guys. Yes, I've been looking at the Tilton piece, but I really didn't want to take out my $32 starter for a $350 starter....

I found a starter at work (AutoZone) from a '93 5.0 which would work, but the solenoid is right in the way again. I'm going to look at it some more and see if the solenoid can't be removed. I'm afraid you are right though - it's a direct engagement on the bendix.

I'll find something to work...

John

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JAAZZY
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posted 05-17-2001 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
$350!! I bought mine a long time ago because the stock starters failed so often but I think I paid around $200. How much could they have changed?! I'm not sure exactly why but the stock style starters failed all the time. Maybe because of high compression? Anyway it took so long to get it in and out that I just couldn't take it anymoe. I had to remove the header to get to the starter. I finally went with the Tilton and have been happy with its performance.
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Originally posted by Inliner:
Wow, thanks for all the suggestions guys. Yes, I've been looking at the Tilton piece, but I really didn't want to take out my $32 starter for a $350 starter....

I found a starter at work (AutoZone) from a '93 5.0 which would work, but the solenoid is right in the way again. I'm going to look at it some more and see if the solenoid can't be removed. I'm afraid you are right though - it's a direct engagement on the bendix.

I'll find something to work...

John


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