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sigtauenus
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posted 05-05-2001 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok guys, I'm trying to help Chris put some 67 motor mounts into his 65, but they don't seem to be lining up right in the holes. He needs to know which holes to bolt the brackets to the frame through. Apparently with them installed they are rubbing on the crossmember which is adding to the confusion. Are the 67 brackets supposed to just be a direct bolt on, or does he need to drill any holes in either the frame or the brackets? Here are some pics...

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67coupe
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posted 05-06-2001 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67coupe   Click Here to Email 67coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im not sure what u need to do but i just put the motor back in to 67 and my mounts have a lot less angle than that hope this helps some
i would like to know myself if it will work

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67 coupe soon to have 351c(almost done)
87 bronco II on 33's(now has blown motor:(
30 model A currently rustbucket

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Brimark
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posted 05-06-2001 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brimark   Click Here to Email Brimark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put the '67 mounts on my '65 to add a bit more clearance for my headers.

I think you got it mostly right. But I thought that the frame mounts bolted to the top hole furthest away from the engine made more sense. It seemed to line up better with engine mount angles.

I might be wrong. Anyone know for sure.
Brian

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nash
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posted 05-06-2001 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nash   Click Here to Email nash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is what I am thinking, with the bracket in the top hole furthest from the engine like in picture 2 the brackets are at 45 deg and then the insulators go in at horizontal. I was having problems getting the bolts in the hole and thus the confusion as they line up in the other hole like in picture 1 but this leads to interferece with the cross member. I have barely reamed out the top hole away from the engine and the bolts are in but would like to be sure this is correct before lifting the engine,

Sam thanks for posting the pics and bearing with my countless questions.

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ekbeanctr
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posted 05-06-2001 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekbeanctr   Click Here to Email ekbeanctr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi. I am getting ready to do the same thing in my 65 Fastback. Please keep us posted on which way is the right way.

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Brimark
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posted 05-06-2001 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brimark   Click Here to Email Brimark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't have to do any drilling at all. My frame bracket bolts fit right in (to the hole furthest from the engine).

Had a little trouble with the bolt through the engine mount but it went in with a little encouragement.
Brian

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nash
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posted 05-07-2001 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nash   Click Here to Email nash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One side had to be touched up with a drill to get teh bolt through, the other side worked with a hammer. The next question is the rubber insulators have a long ear and short. Which side goes to the front and on which side. The first picture show the long tab to the front on the pasenger side but I am not sure. The two insulators are supposed to be for either right or left which will mean that they will have the long tab on the opposite corners. If any one could tell me which is correct I would apprecaite it.

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sigtauenus
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posted 05-08-2001 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris,
I can only tell you what I see on my 68, but on my car the "long ear" is to the front on the passenger side and to the rear on the driver side.

Could somebody else please confirm this for us?

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sigtauenus
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posted 05-08-2001 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris,
Just looked at that first picture again. That is the way mine are. Now that I think about it some more, is there any other way they could go in there? It looks like if you swap sides they still fit in the same way.

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kevinstang
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posted 05-08-2001 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kevinstang   Click Here to Email kevinstang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a left and a right side to those mounts I believe, one is usuallys stamped with an R I believe if my memory isn't going.The 66 through 68 small block mounts will fit into a 65 with no modification necessary, I have done this many times, no problems.Is it possible cross member has been bent in past, or put in backwards-these also can go in backwards-one side is notched different than the other, might make a clearance problem.

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nash
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posted 05-09-2001 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nash   Click Here to Email nash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kevin, can you tell me which top bolt hole to use. The one closest to the engine in the first picture or the one farthest away from the engine in picture 2. I dont get any interference with the cross members in the second picture and the brackets are at a 45 deg angle and then the insulators go in at horizontal. The angles are different in the first picture and the cross member has the interference. Do you remeber how this went or have a picture or diagram as my 65 service manual is no help and I am stumped by this. Thanks

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sigtauenus
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posted 05-09-2001 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops, guess I need to clarify my last comment. In the first picture, my motor mounts (the rubber ones) look like that in regard to the way they are on the brackets (long ear to front on passenger side, long ear to back on driver side). The motor mounts look like the second picture in regard to how the bolts that go into the block go straight up vertically vice an angle like in picture one.

I think what you are looking for is the brackets bolted to the frame with the bolt farther away from the engine like in picture two, the top of the motor mounts flat (horizontally) like in picture two, and the long ear on the motor mounts to the front on the passenger side and to the back on driver side.

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sigtauenus
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posted 05-13-2001 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chris, ever get everything installed ok?

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nash
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posted 05-14-2001 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nash   Click Here to Email nash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I decided to rebuild the heater box with new seals and heater core before putting engine in while I was figuring out the brackets. Do you know what size and grade the bolts I will need to attach the motor mount insulators to the bracket and the bolts to attach the insulators to the engine block?

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