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bibbs68
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posted 04-27-2001 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bibbs68   Click Here to Email bibbs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the going price of a nice usable pair of Windsor 351 heads? Also, would anyone happen to have a set?
Jeremy

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ccode67
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posted 04-27-2001 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ccode67   Click Here to Email ccode67     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Question #2 , Is ther any benefit to swapping the 289 ( c code ) heads for a set of 69 windsor heads, IE: better flow etc. or should I save for the aluminums ?

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 04-27-2001 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Guys,
Don't forget to figure in the additional cost of machining and/or pop-up pistons to gain back the compression you'd loose if you simply switch-out 289/302 heads for some 351W heads......and, the combustion chamber size differs for different 351W heads, so you'll need to be 'picky' with which heads to look for depending on what you have and what you want to do.

What year & size motor would you put them on?
Will you be changing out the pistons anyway?

Just my 2 cents,,, Ryan

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bibbs68
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posted 04-27-2001 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bibbs68   Click Here to Email bibbs68     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ccode67:
Question #2 , Is ther any benefit to swapping the 289 ( c code ) heads for a set of 69 windsor heads, IE: better flow etc. or should I save for the aluminums ?

Good question, I didn't think of that.

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camachinist
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posted 04-28-2001 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for camachinist   Click Here to Email camachinist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Early W heads, '69-'70 have the smallest chambers and are my personal favorites..

They were good for .23 seconds over an equivilent set of C5 casting 289 heads on my race car, which runs in the mid-low 11's

However, the time and money invested in modifying the heads for performance use IMO now outweighs the cost of the newer aluminum heads, which is what I use on the current W in the car...

If you've got the time but not the money, those old W heads are hard to beat....btw, I ran Chevy 1.9 intakes (cut down) and 1.6 exhausts in my old heads....this was before parts were available for Fords..

I have a set, along with some early 289 castings and am saving them for some future projects....*G*

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steve'66
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posted 04-29-2001 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bibbs68:
What is the going price of a nice usable pair of Windsor 351 heads? Also, would anyone happen to have a set?
Jeremy


About $150-$200 should buy a pair of rebuildable heads. I used to have a pair, but gave them away. You want C-9 or D-0 castings if you can find a pair. Good luck,

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Dave_C
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posted 04-29-2001 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sold two sets in the past couple of years.

Sold a set of stock rebuildable D0 heads for $85.

Sold a set of rebuilt C9 heads for $325. These had new valves, springs, valve job and were set up for screw in studs and guide plates. Still use the studs and plates on my current Windsor Sr's. I took a loss on these, needed the cash. Had about $400 in them.

Later,

David Cole

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Rory McNeil
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posted 04-29-2001 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rory McNeil   Click Here to Email Rory McNeil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm. I guess I did OK a few years back. I found a pair of C9 351W heads on a Granada at a wreckers for $40. pr. I wouldn`t have noticed, but someone had removed the intake,& the L shaped water passages were begging me to take them home. Pulled enough & sure enough 69 heads. At the same yard I found a set of D0 W heads (also$40.)on a 70 Mustangnotchback 302 with a 75 2V EGR intake. Only noticed because the valve covers were off, 351 quite noticable between the springs. On my 78 Fairmont 302, the C9 heads with a fresh valve job (still 1.84& 1.56 valve was worth 6 tenths!! The 78 engine had 69cc heads, so compression came up too.

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n2oMike
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posted 04-29-2001 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dave_C:
Still use the studs and plates on my current Windsor Sr's
David Cole

I'm about 99% certain that the Windsor Sr's use small block chevy valves, valve spacing, and guide plates. You might want to double check things. Your rocker alignment might need checked.

Good Luck!

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Dave_C
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posted 04-30-2001 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave_C   Click Here to Email Dave_C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Windsor Sr's do use SBC sized valves. The guideplates are for a SBF Ford. Bought the heads from Keith Craft Racing w pocket port, valve job, upgraded valves, teflon seals. They left off the studs and guideplates in exhange for upgrading to roller springs. I just took the Comp Cams guideplates and ARP studs from my C9 Windsor heads and used them.

No problems after 4 years of 7K rpm. No valve guide problems or basically any kind of valvetrain wear at all. The rocker geometry and alignment is deead on. I was very carefully on checking the pushrod length. Ended up using 7.950 (.200 shorter than stock) due to taller roller lifters.

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