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JAAZZY
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posted 04-23-2001 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted this over in the racing section and didn't get a response so I thought I'd copy it over here. It would probably have made more sense to put it here to start with.

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If you guys had a choice for a front end suspension setup what would you choose.

Griggs GT350
TCP
Global West

Which one & why would you choose it?

Let's pretend that cost is not one of the considerations(within reason). One of the things I would like to do is clear the way for a stroked Windsor down the line so removing the shock towers is important.

Thanks

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Moneymaker
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posted 04-23-2001 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not certain of the manufacturer, but the one that is fully adjustable and was show cased on My Classic Car last week. That is the one that I would choose. Someone posted the name for me on another thread last week and I forgot it already. DUH!

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JAAZZY
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posted 04-23-2001 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Never heard of it...

I think the TCP stuff is adjustable though as is the Griggs. Don't know enough about GlobalW.

Memory is the first thing to go


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Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I'm not certain of the manufacturer, but the one that is fully adjustable and was show cased on My Classic Car last week. That is the one that I would choose. Someone posted the name for me on another thread last week and I forgot it already. DUH!


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Nos351C
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posted 04-23-2001 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nos351C   Click Here to Email Nos351C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only thing I sdon't like about the TCP setup is the cost.
Two things irk me about the griggs setup, hackign the shock towers (which it sounds like you want to do, so YMMV) and I am not sold on the late model spindles.. I would assume the 94-95 Cobra spindles, but it doesn't say that...
Assuming it used the cobra spindles, and they retained the ability to use the ABS exciter rings on the discs, hmm... fnagle up the rear axle a bit.. hmm... ABS on your classic mustang? Now that would be cool....
sorry my mind is wandering

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joe
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posted 04-23-2001 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both TCp and Global West have very similar products. I've got a TCp setup, works great but the cost is out of here

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JAAZZY
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posted 04-23-2001 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Joe have you run it hard at the track? How did it perform against the competition? Your impressions would be appreciated. Any negatives?

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Both TCp and Global West have very similar products. I've got a TCp setup, works great but the cost is out of here

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joe
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posted 04-25-2001 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read that other post of yours and maybe you should save some of that money for other mods. But I know knothing about the Griggs setup and myabe there is a considerable diff. The TCP is track tested (though not by me, yet ) and you can install this yourself in a weekend. I don't know where you live but I think I remember reading on the TCp website that they have a fully loaded car for potential customers to test drive. Maybe Griggs has something as well

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mvierow
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posted 04-25-2001 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mvierow   Click Here to Email mvierow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey if thats the case then your in luck Jas, cause I think your no more than a hour and a half away from TCP

Did you ever get ahold of Terry or Kerry?

Mike

[This message has been edited by mvierow (edited 04-25-2001).]

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JAAZZY
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posted 04-26-2001 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

joe - Thanks for the response but you still didn't mention you impressions.

Mike - No I didn't call yet because I can't justify the expenditure at the moment. I just bought a new CHP stroker for my Car as well as the Z06. The Mrs. has threatened sucide but before I could call with my credit card in hand she clarified the statement with making my death look like a suicide.

I assure you though that I will research this thoroughly before making a decision and I will call as well as visit both facilities and with the kind of money involved I will be going for at least a ride if not driving cars with both set-ups.

I didn't know TCP had a car for customers to drive. I don't think Griggs does but they could probably arrange something with a previous customer. I see now though that they have a 67 Stang.

I live about 25 miles from San Francisco. Griggs is a 30 min drive and it looks like TCP is about 90mins just like Mike mentioned.

I guess not many people have done these mods or they are not online. Thanks again guys.

- Jas


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Originally posted by mvierow:
Hey if thats the case then your in luck Jas, cause I think your no more than a hour and a half away from TCP

Did you ever get ahold of Terry or Kerry?

Mike

[This message has been edited by mvierow (edited 04-25-2001).]


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67resto-coupe
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posted 04-26-2001 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67resto-coupe   Click Here to Email 67resto-coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if i had the money, i would go for the tcp stuff. i've visited the tcp shop in elk grove (i'm fortunate, they are only 20min. from me) and i'm very impressed with the stuff they make. yes, there is a 67 fb set up with their power rack/pinion, full suspension treatment and full subframe connector. i've been able to drive it, albeit around the block a few times, but it was getting fresh paint the last time i was there. i just always walk away with the feeling these guys really know their s**t, pardon my french, and they're very pleasant to deal with. i just bought their shock tower brace kit, but wish i'd had the cash for the other high end goodies. the 67 test car drives like a new vehicle...super responsive steering, tight suspension and very stable handling. oh yeah, one last goodie, they've got a 65 fb full race car with a coilover rear suspension...you just gotta see it to believe it. lots of custom work, but who knows, it may be available in kit form.

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tomstir
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posted 04-26-2001 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tomstir   Click Here to Email tomstir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure what your plan is but TCP and Griggs will be at Sears Point (Shelby club open track day) the first weekend of September... you'll be able to check out their setups then. There was another guy who had the same questions as you from Redwood City, we (him and I) were planning on driving up to Griggs to check out their shop. I think he priced the complete suspension and labor at $15,000.00. I have seen it before and it is top notch, way overkill for the street and probably more than adequate(sp) for the track. I have some of the Global West stuff and am very happy with it. Please let me know if you are planning to check out Griggs.

Tom

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JAAZZY
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posted 04-26-2001 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The impression I'm getting from you guys is that I really can't go wrong with either shop. Nice to know that we have so many good choices.

I would probably only do the front to start and then the rear at some point down the road.

I don't see any reason I couldn't make it out to Sears to see the cars. I was planninng on joining the Shelby club anyway.

My car handles well now with all the mods I have done so I don't really know what more I want. I'm sure the TCP stuff is more than enough and considerably less expensive. I think the problem I have is that my car handles well but it doesn't have any finess. I think that's what I'm looking for. It will probably see a couple of open track session a year but will spend most of its life as a street car.

I'm starting to lean towards TCP considering that the car won't see enough competitive racing to justify the cost of Griggs but we'll see.



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Originally posted by tomstir:
I'm not sure what your plan is but TCP and Griggs will be at Sears Point (Shelby club open track day) the first weekend of September... you'll be able to check out their setups then. There was another guy who had the same questions as you from Redwood City, we (him and I) were planning on driving up to Griggs to check out their shop. I think he priced the complete suspension and labor at $15,000.00. I have seen it before and it is top notch, way overkill for the street and probably more than adequate(sp) for the track. I have some of the Global West stuff and am very happy with it. Please let me know if you are planning to check out Griggs.

Tom


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mvierow
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posted 04-26-2001 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mvierow   Click Here to Email mvierow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ROFL if 'finess' costs 15k than I'm out of this hobby!! Jas, go with the TCP setup.. you can install it yourself in a day, costs 1/8th the price, looks killer, doesn't shoot the resell value to hell, is top quality, and sounds exactly like what you want.

About the 65fb at TCP, if you read the articles on their website you'll notice they make a mention of making the rear coil-over setup a kit in the future. I can't wait to see that! I'd save the money for this kit when it comes out Jas.

Heres some more info..

http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/vehicles/tcpracecar/rear-coilover.html

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joe
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posted 04-26-2001 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry about that. This TCP setup really kicks. I don't even compare it with the stock stuff. I don't get the feeling that something is going to break or that the wheel is going to come free when I make a hard turn like I use to
What can I say, I think I may be biased

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joe
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posted 04-26-2001 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And another thing. 15K , for that money one could buy a really sweet ride that's already done.

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JAAZZY
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posted 04-26-2001 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always thought it was finess that is expensive. You know how it goes with just about everything you get including go fast parts. Up to about $1000(example) you get back a return (in performance) in proportion to what you spent. If you spend $10K you're lucky to get back half. The more you spend the less you get back in percentage terms.

With the TCP front it doesn't look like the shock towers need to be altered but it seems like they could be cut if you wanted it done.

As far as doing it myself. I doubt it. I know I can but outside of tuning and driving I pretty much give it to guys I trust. I used to do it all but not so much anymore. I don't know if TCP does installs but I'd probably just give it to a shop recommended by them.

I've got another question also about tires. I'll post it in another thread though. No point in a killer suspension without enough rubber.

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Originally posted by mvierow:
ROFL if 'finess' costs 15k than I'm out of this hobby!! Jas, go with the TCP setup.. you can install it yourself in a day, costs 1/8th the price, looks killer, doesn't shoot the resell value to hell, is top quality, and sounds exactly like what you want.

About the 65fb at TCP, if you read the articles on their website you'll notice they make a mention of making the rear coil-over setup a kit in the future. I can't wait to see that! I'd save the money for this kit when it comes out Jas.

Heres some more info..

http://www.totalcontrolproducts.com/vehicles/tcpracecar/rear-coilover.html

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joe
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posted 04-26-2001 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TCP will do it in their shop. Don't know for how much though, I've never handed anything over to a shop, other than machine work that is.

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posted 04-26-2001 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joe   Click Here to Email joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have pictures of that Griggs setup. I'd like to see what 15k worth of mods look like.

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posted 04-26-2001 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nos351C   Click Here to Email Nos351C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a shot of the rearend:

Jas, you might find tihs interesting:
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forum/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000737.html

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JAAZZY
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posted 04-26-2001 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JAAZZY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks that is good info.

I think Griggs might have som pics at their site also.

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TomP
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posted 04-26-2001 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YIKES!! thats major butchery there... resale value would be so far down the toilet you'd almost have to own it til the scrap car pickup guys came to haul it off. Remember those 1970's radical customs ...the money spent on the "Customs by Eddie Paul" T-roofed, huge IMSA flared stuff make a Mustang hard to sell when that style falls out of favor

There are many bolt on, less intrusive ways to make the car handle adequately, leave that stuff for somebody thats got a worthless rustbucket that needs the whole floor replaced.

But thats just my opinion...i could be wrong

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