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Javelin360
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posted 03-22-2001 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Javelin360   Click Here to Email Javelin360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was wondering what would be needed to go from a manual steering setup to a power steering setup in a 1965 Mustang.

Also, I was wondering about this "Quick Steering Kit" that I saw in the Mustangs Unlimited catalog.

"This competition package offers you the increased handling ability originally available on the '65 Shelby. Kit includes a high performance pitman arm and idler arm. Use with V8 & manual steering on '65-67 with 1" sector shaft."

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larrym
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posted 03-22-2001 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for larrym   Click Here to Email larrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The easiest and cheapest way to is find 65 or 66 donor car with PS. Then you have all the parts you need. Then buy rebuilt power cyclinder, control valve, pump(if the pump is shot), and new hoses. Pep Boys offers reasonable exchange prices on rebuilt parts and a lifetime warrantee. Their rebuild parts are good quality (at least on the ones I've used). Now if your rolling in cash you can purchase Total Control's rack and pinion PS for a mere $1500 and have a real modern PS unit on you car. Or you can do it the hard way like I did, and buy stock parts, new and used, piece by piece, make a million trips to the junk and auto parts store, pay $750, and still have mediocre, mushy Ford power steering.

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Javelin360
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posted 03-22-2001 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Javelin360   Click Here to Email Javelin360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny you should mention that - I work for Pep Boys corporate as a systems programmer I still get my 20% discount tho -so it's a million trips to Pep Boys but at only $600... LOL

That is what I'm afraid of though, that mushy Ford power steering. My old '68 had the sloppiest steering ever.

Do you know anything about the "Quick Steering Kit"?

Thanks for the help!

Fran

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-22-2001 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to have som "Girlyman" decals made up and award them to the guys who have power steering and hydraulic lifters in their muscle cars.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-23-2001 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I'm going to have som "Girlyman" decals made up and award them to the guys who have power steering and hydraulic lifters in their muscle cars.

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sprcoop
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posted 03-24-2001 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sprcoop   Click Here to Email sprcoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do I get a girly man sticker if I have solid lifters with PS and AC?

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Troy
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posted 03-24-2001 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Troy   Click Here to Email Troy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet again...

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Stang28965
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posted 03-24-2001 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stang28965   Click Here to Email Stang28965     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:


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Gary DelVecchio
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posted 03-24-2001 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary DelVecchio   Click Here to Email Gary DelVecchio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew when I saw this thread Alex would pounce on it like a cat in heat !!!!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-26-2001 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Javelin360:
Funny you should mention that - I work for Pep Boys corporate as a systems programmer I still get my 20% discount tho -so it's a million trips to Pep Boys but at only $600... LOL

That is what I'm afraid of though, that mushy Ford power steering. My old '68 had the sloppiest steering ever.

Do you know anything about the "Quick Steering Kit"?

Thanks for the help!

Fran


Fran, I believe the Quick steering kit consists of a shorter pitman arm and shorter idler arm. It provides quicker steering, but it increases the road feedback and turning effort.

The power steering setup on 65-70 Mustangs do stink. Have you seen the adapter that Mustang vendors such as National Parts Depot offer that takes the place of the slave cylinder? That's the easier way to convert to manual.

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'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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Javelin360
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posted 06-01-2001 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Javelin360   Click Here to Email Javelin360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man, how did I miss all these repsonses?!? Sorry for that. About the 'girlyman' thing - that's funny, cuz it's my girlfriend's car - and while she doesn't really mind the manual steering - I hate seeing her struggle trying to park her 'stang.

I, of course, have power steering on both my Javelins LOL - so call me a girlyman, if you will

Anyhoo - back to the ps conversion. What all needs to be replaced?!? Steering column?!? Any front suspension pieces?!?

I'll have to look into that adapter from Nat'l Parts Depot - thanks for that Steve!

The girlfriend's car:
1965 Mustang coupe
1994 5.0L swap
Headers/H-pipe/Flows
C4 - 3.55/8" open rear


Thanks guys!!!

Fran

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-01-2001 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, I misread what you intended to do.

Now I see you have manual and want to go to power steering, so that adapter isn't what you need.

Your column is ok, but you need:

Power steering box
power steering pump
p/s pump brackets
p/s belt
pressure and return hose
lower crank and water pump pullies
center link
power steering ram
brackets for p/s ram

It will be a lot of hunting. You would be wise to find a donor car.

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Javelin360
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posted 06-01-2001 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Javelin360   Click Here to Email Javelin360     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again Steve!

You're right - I'd be better off with a donor car... I'll see what I can find

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kcode
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posted 06-01-2001 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve,
Gotta correct you on the Shelby quick steer, its just the opposite, the Pitman and idler arm are longer the stock. The longer arm on the sector shaft will move the center link a greater distance with less turn of the steering wheel. Makes it a very tight manual steering

Mike

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 06-02-2001 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kcode:
Steve,
Gotta correct you on the Shelby quick steer, its just the opposite, the Pitman and idler arm are longer the stock. The longer arm on the sector shaft will move the center link a greater distance with less turn of the steering wheel. Makes it a very tight manual steering

Mike


Doh! Thanks, Mike! I had the right idea, but wrong method.

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'70 Mustang Mach 1 351C 4V/FMX/3.50 open {on the way!}
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Lok
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L DOHC {Wife's car...}
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74merc
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posted 06-02-2001 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 74merc   Click Here to Email 74merc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I'm going to have som "Girlyman" decals made up and award them to the guys who have power steering and hydraulic lifters in their muscle cars.


I can take the power steering bashing(especially since I removed mine )
but I'm keeping my damn hydraulic lifters... I drive this car every day, I can't have power only above 3000rpms...
so take your manlyman lifters and pay my gas bills!!

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460-67Stang
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posted 07-09-2001 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 460-67Stang   Click Here to Email 460-67Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to bring up an old thread here, but I couldn't resist.

I too went from manual to PS primarily because the big, heavy 429 up front was a BEAR to turn in the parking lot. Now that the car is going back together with a 460 I won't do with out the PS.

Anyhoo, I got my PS cylinder and control valve off a mid 70's Granada. Ford improved the hose fittings during this period by using a small o ring at the connection points. Supposedly fewer leaks. The Granada parts bolted right up to my '67 PS drag link. I did have to find a '67 PS steering box however. The Granada PS box is totally different.

BUT...the same old Ford steering. Hopefully it won't be too bad!

FWIW,
Brian

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