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project66
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
Registered: Jul 99

posted 03-22-2001 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for project66   Click Here to Email project66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Took my headers to be sandblasted yesterday and the guy at the shop said they looked like blackjacks. Said they were "old school" and sold in many cases when nothing else would fit. I tried to search for some info on em (specifically, whether the part number for a 68 Fairlane was the same as a 66 Mustang) but found nothing. They don't seem to be available anymore.

Can anybody give me an idea as to the quality of these headers? Are they worth putting back on or should I pay closer attention to the current header thread? My intention is to build a driver with some attitude.

Thanks-
Jim O

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Butch Jennings
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From: California
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posted 03-22-2001 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Butch Jennings   Click Here to Email Butch Jennings     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

All of the Blackjack headers I've ever seen had 4 bolt collector flanges. My experience has been that they are/were a very cheap header....I wouldn't use them on something I was going to keep.

Butcher

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SundanceKid
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From: UT
Registered: Feb 2001

posted 03-22-2001 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SundanceKid   Click Here to Email SundanceKid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have them on my Mustang now, they were on it for 10 plus years and have held up fine. I did however, buy some Hooker SC to replace them. The fit on my 65 was good with exception of the idler arm. The header has since clearanced it's self......
For whatever it's worth thats all I know.

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Moneymaker
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From: Lyons, IL, USA
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posted 03-22-2001 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BlackJack headers are unique and were of the highest quality available in the 70's for an "economy header". They were made in Mexico and marketed through Mr. Gasket. They had individual port flanges and 4 bolt collectors. They also were all high heat white painted from the factory, an industy first. I have had some for over twenty years and they are still on cars today. I wish that they were still in buisiness. They were sold off in one of Mr.G's famous sell/buy offs.

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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
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posted 03-23-2001 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe they had changed them, but I purchased a set in the 80's, and they were identical to the very cheap "Cyclone" units (also owned by Mr. Gasket). The tubes were fairly thin, the collectors were 3-bolt, and very short, the tubes weren't even close to equal length, they required many clearance dents to install, and the pivot fork to the clutch needed cut off on the end to get them on the car.

It looks like the earlier 4-bolt collector headers might be fine, but avoid the later ones!

After these, I switched to regular Hooker Competitions... which went on with zero problems! They were only $119 at the time, looked WAY better than the previous set, and didn't require the four hour ordeal of denting and grinding to get them on the car!

Good Luck!

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66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
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Moneymaker
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posted 03-23-2001 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are right Mike. Mr. Gasket was in a buying frenzy in the early eighties and they did own both Blackjack and Cyclone. Cyclone was always a low quality header and Mr. Gasket probably consolidated the two companies to make and market the most cost efficiant (cheap) product.

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sprcoop
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From: Tucson, AZ usa
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 03-24-2001 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sprcoop   Click Here to Email sprcoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, did you run that 10.63 with Hooker Competition headers? That would be great news for me since I have a set in the rafters.

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n2oMike
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From: Spencer, WV
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posted 03-24-2001 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 10.63 was with a set of Hooker Super Comps. The Super Comps have way thinner tubes for less weight, and a tad larger ID. They also point exactly straight back, where the comps point back at a slight angle.

The regular comps are built VERY ruggedly, and will last forever, coated or not! My old set (that was purchased 15 years ago) is still in service on a friend's Shelby clone... as well as the rest of the old exhaust system. (2.5" exhaust with old non-aluminized flowmasters.) I think they were the best sounding.

I went with 3" and no tail pipes... great for the nitrous.

The only problem with the regular comps is that they do not fit World Products heads. The spark plug angle is different on these heads, which causes the interference. It wasn't a problem with me and the 289 heads, but some have had issues. They are extremely rugged.

They do hang down a little, so I welded skid plates to the bottom of them to keep the tubes from getting dented. A little 1/8" plate is all it takes. They saved many a dent... I've got them on the super comps as well. A MUST HAVE in my book.

Good Luck!

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/motorcitymustang/cmml/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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sprcoop
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posted 03-24-2001 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sprcoop   Click Here to Email sprcoop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike, I should have known you wouldn't be doing 10.63 with $130 headers. I won't be getting anywhere near that so I'm sure they will be fine for my 350hp application. Mine will be going on a set of 69' 351W heads with the exhaust bump cleaned up. Good info on the skid plate option. I have the 1" lowered springs on the front of mine so that 1/8" of extra metal is gonna come in mighty handy!

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