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joer
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posted 03-21-2001 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joer   Click Here to Email joer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It feels so good to be working on the car again (67 FB with manual steering and power brakes). It's been so long. well, in the process of doing a complete rebuild of my suspension and steering, I have come across a few things that make me curious. Any advise on the following would be great! Oh yeah, I'm on a budget ;-)

Steering:
How do you determine if your steering box or Pitman arm needs to be replaced? I took off the tie rods and center link, and am down the pitman arm, is there a way to check it? It's very dirty, possible leaky box. Also, if I choose to replace it, can I buy a close ratio box to cut down on that bus driving feel?

Brakes:
Before I took everything apart, my brakes felt really weak and unresponsive. I have the calipers off and they look pretty yucky. should I attempt to rebuild these or buy new ones? I'm getting the rotors turned and thinking about buying a new booster and master cylinder.

So, that's where I'm at, any advise would be great and thanks!!!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-21-2001 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steering:
How do you determine if your steering box or Pitman arm needs to be replaced? I took off the tie rods and center link, and am down the pitman arm, is there a way to check it? It's very dirty, possible leaky box. Also, if I choose to replace it, can I buy a close ratio box to cut down on that bus driving feel?

You mainly check for side to side play. Also, the amount of leakage is a good indicator, too.

You could look for a C5ZZ-3504-C {tag code HCC-AW or SMB-B} which is a 16:1 ratio unit, {as opposed to 19:1 for standard} from a '64.5-'67 Mustang or '67 Cougar.

Brakes:
Before I took everything apart, my brakes felt really weak and unresponsive. I have the calipers off and they look pretty yucky. should I attempt to rebuild these or buy new ones? I'm getting the rotors turned and thinking about buying a new booster and master cylinder.

I'd recommend rebuilt calipers, and I think the new booster is a good idea and a rebuilt master is a must.

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-21-2001 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, change your three brake hoses, {2 front and the one at the rear end}, and inspect every inch of steel line.

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joer
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posted 03-21-2001 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joer   Click Here to Email joer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So the Steering box would be compatible with my car without modification?

Where is the best place to buy rebuilt calipers and should I replace the rubber brake lines with stainless or just new rubber?

Thanks!!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-21-2001 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The steering box would bolt right in.

The calipers can be had at any quality auto parts store, and good quality brakes hoses, like Raybestos, would be good.

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Moneymaker
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posted 03-21-2001 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah what he said! Also, try to purchase "loaded" calipers as they are much cheaper than buying the calipers and pads seperatly. Bendix and Wagner are also a high quality manufacturers.

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67coupe
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posted 03-21-2001 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67coupe   Click Here to Email 67coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
regarding the steal lines on your car i would replace them anyway.
when i first did my system i didnt change mine cause they looked real good. later i did some changes to the sys and upon bending the lines one broke and the inside was real rusty. turns out that all of them were about to rust out from the inside. just my 2cents worth

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joer
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posted 03-21-2001 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joer   Click Here to Email joer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the lines replaced would be a bunch of $$.. Can't I run something through them to clean them out?

I called about Calipers and found that Napa had some loaded Raybestos for $34 each but had a hard time locating them for a 67. All they came up with was 68's and if I recall right 68's are 2 pistons instead of 4.

As far as the stearing box and booster and cylinder are those parts I should order out of a catalog? Thanks!!

Joe

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posted 03-21-2001 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Inspect the metal lines carfully and try to carflully pinch them with a pair of channel lock pliers. If they do not crumble then they are ok and can be flushed by bleeding. You are correct on the calipers. 68 and up are two piston. It will be very difficult to find 4 piston units through regular or chain parts houses. I would suggest that you try NPD (National Parts Depot)for some calipers.

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larrym
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posted 03-21-2001 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for larrym   Click Here to Email larrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the rebuilt loaded 68 single piston calipers are much cheaper than the dual piston 67s. I got my 67 dual piston calipers through Carparts.com, but I think I paid around $200 for the pair. They were back-ordered and I had to wait a few weeks. Unfornatunately I can't tell you how they work because my fastback is still at the paint shop, seven months and counting

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-21-2001 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by joer:
All the lines replaced would be a bunch of $$..

What is your life worth?

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joer
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posted 03-21-2001 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joer   Click Here to Email joer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's my life worth?

Stainless Steel should not rust.

However, I appreciate the concern. Been in meetings all day, dampened my mood. Sorry about that.

Not only as a Software Quality Assurance engineer, I'm a pilot as well and appreciate safety. I'm just on such a budget I want to make sure every $1 spent goes to the right thing.

[This message has been edited by joer (edited 03-21-2001).]

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-21-2001 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I didn't mean to be sarcastic, I was just making a point.

Standard automotive brake line is not stainless, though, it's mild steel.

If the budget is tight, then just give the lines a thorough inspection. But don't pass anything through the lines but brake fluid.

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'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
"Keep your driveway all Ford!"

[This message has been edited by SteveLaRiviere (edited 03-21-2001).]

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joer
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posted 03-21-2001 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joer   Click Here to Email joer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll inspect every inch of them. I'll flush them very well too.

No prob, I'm sarcastic all too often. I just lost my dinner privleges from the wife for just that reason :-)

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Nos351C
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quote:
Originally posted by larrym:
Unfornatunately I can't tell you how they work because my fastback is still at the paint shop, seven months and counting


I feel your pain I just got mine back after 18

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67coupe
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posted 03-21-2001 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67coupe   Click Here to Email 67coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the metal lines arent that much npd has them for about 75 for the front and rears or do like i did bought the 25$ rear line and went to the parts house and bought straight tubing and made fronts for about 15$ since the stock didnt match up to the disk hoses or line lock.

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posted 03-22-2001 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad that I'm NEVER sarcastic around here or anywhere.

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joer
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posted 03-23-2001 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joer   Click Here to Email joer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy, I hope everybody has'nt come to the conclusion that I'm a sour apple

Keep it comin!!

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 03-23-2001 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by joer:
Boy, I hope everybody has'nt come to the conclusion that I'm a sour apple

Keep it comin!!


No, not at all!

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posted 03-23-2001 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sigtauenus   Click Here to Email sigtauenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
I'm glad that I'm NEVER sarcastic around here or anywhere.



me tow!

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posted 03-23-2001 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for project66   Click Here to Email project66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL- Sig.

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