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Rob Parsons
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posted 02-05-2001 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Parsons   Click Here to Email Rob Parsons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which pushrod should be used for this swap on a manual brakes car? Can a power brake master cyclinder be used or will that cause braking problems due to the larger resovior? I have one for a 73 that I could rebuild if so.

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John1966
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posted 02-05-2001 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John1966   Click Here to Email John1966     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I bought a '67 MC from Autozone. The push rod that can with it will result in the same overall length as the one from the '66, so its a direct bolt in. If you compared a '66 push rod to the '67, the '67 is longer, but it goes farther into the MC. [UPDATE:] Based on what others have said about the push rod length, I double checked mine and if I used the '67 push rod in the '67 MC, it would be shorter over all. So I'm going to use the '66 push rod in the '67 MC also.

As for the power booster, I don't think it will fit because it will hit the side of the engine bay on the driver's side. A company called Trans Am racing makes an adapter which allows a power booster to be used.

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Rob Parsons
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posted 02-05-2001 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Parsons   Click Here to Email Rob Parsons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you use the 67 manual drum setup in your 66 manual drum car with no problem?

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John1966
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posted 02-05-2001 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for John1966   Click Here to Email John1966     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't finished the swap yet, so I don't know if it will work. However, I'm optimistic because I got advice from three mustang forums (including this one) before I began the swap, including people who performed the swap before and said it worked fine. I'll know in March whether it worked for me.

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kcode
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posted 02-05-2001 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob,
I'm using the 67 manual MC with the 66 push rod. I compared the depth of the cavity in the piston and it was the same on the 66 to 67, measured from the mounting face. The 66 is about 5/8" longer.

Mike

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Rob Parsons
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posted 02-07-2001 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Parsons   Click Here to Email Rob Parsons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mike. The 67 rod is 5/8" shorter? Do you think that will be a problem causing the piston to not have enough travel? If so, I should be able to use the 65 rod. The MC I bought has a rod in it already. Are they difficult to remove? I have not looked at it too closely.

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steve'66
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posted 02-07-2001 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob,

I did this swap on the '66 using a '67 m/c. I used the '67 pushrod and there isn't much pedal travel. I works, but you notice it when bleeding the brakes, the pumping stroke is only about 1/2 of what it should be. I've been thinking I need to lengthen the pushrod, but if the '66 is 5/8" longer maybe I'll try it (if I can find it?). The pushrods are held in with a spring clip. I've alway forced the rod out and replaced the spring clip when reinstalling the new pushrod.

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Rob Parsons
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posted 02-07-2001 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Parsons   Click Here to Email Rob Parsons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will measure the rod on my car when I get it out. Thanks for the feedback Steve

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2bav8
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posted 02-07-2001 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2bav8   Click Here to Email 2bav8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used a 69 MC out of a Mustang (same part# as a 67) with my '66 pushrod. The pedal travel is great.

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Rob Parsons
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posted 02-22-2001 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Parsons   Click Here to Email Rob Parsons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to drag this topic up again, but how is the rod removed from the piston? I remove the snap ring and got the piston/rod assembly out of the MC. Looks like the rod is not made to be removed from the piston. I did not try too hard to force it out because I did not want to damage it. Any suggestions?

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steve'66
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posted 02-22-2001 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rod,

I use vise grips to force it out. The end of the rod is ball shaped with a spring clip on it. After you force it out of the piston, you should replace the clip.

SteveW

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kcode
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posted 02-22-2001 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rob,
to salvage the 66 rod for Becks car, I ended up taking the piston out of the old MC and using a die grinder to cut the piston apart. I tried everything I could think of to get it out. I have heard that Ford had a tool to remove them. I've never seen it though.

Mike

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Rob Parsons
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posted 02-23-2001 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Parsons   Click Here to Email Rob Parsons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike,
The rod in the 65 mc came right out and was not pressed into the piston like the 67 Mc I got at Advanced. Did you, or anyone else reading, leave the piston in the 67 mc to remove the rod? I don't think I can get the rod out otherwise without damaging the piston. How is Becky's car coming along?

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