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dhearn
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From: Owenton Ky,USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 01-23-2001 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently recieved this email concerning new castings from genesis:
Thank you for your interest in our Block.

We are finalizing the pricing shortly and plan to have the block ready to
take orders in early May as the Al block will be going to the foundry at
the end of April. Currently the patterns for the shell core boxes with be
sent out this week to be cast in iron to ensure proper life when we start
production. This is later than we had originally thought, but this is where
it all happens and we must assure our selves that this part is made
properly. The iron block will be six weeks behind the AL block.

WE plan to offer short blocks in the future in several different HP ranges.
This will not be until the 4th Quarter at the present.Technical Improvements
Al
1. Siamese cast cylinder walls to add cylinder stability
2. Added material to cylinder walls to allow 0.093 thick ductile iron sleeves
3. Squared off cylinder walls for added strength and rigidity
4. Added material between the water passage and corner head bolts to eliminate cracking of deck surface.
5. Added material to deck to help prevent warping.
6. Added material to lower side of cylinder web for increase rigidity.
7. Sleeve bore will be developed for standard 4.250 pistons with stock allowed for finishing to your precise fit.
8. Block drill for Hydraulic or Solid lifters
9. Larger cross bolts 7/16 Vs 3/8
10. Added material for increased thread engagement of head bolts to help prevent stripping.
11. Added thread engagement on cap bolts help prevent stripping.
12. Each block will have individual traceable serial number imprinted by Genesis Custom Manufacturing.

Technical Improvements
Iron
1. Siamese cast cylinder walls to add cylinder stability
2. Added 0.100 material to cylinder walls to allow oversize boring.
3. Squared off cylinder walls for added strength and rigidity
4. Added material between the water passage and corner head bolts to eliminate cracking of deck surface.
5. Added material to deck to help prevent warping.
6. Added material to lower side of cylinder web for increase rigidity.
7. Piston bore will be developed for standard 4.250 pistons with stock allowed for finishing to your precise fit.
8. Block drill for Hydraulic or Solid lifters
9. Larger cross bolts 7/16 Vs 3/8
10. Added thread engagement on cap bolts to help prevent stripping.
11. Each block will have individual traceable serial number imprinted by Genesis Custom Manufacturing.

What will you get with a Genesis 427 block?

1. Completely machined block ready for assembly
2. Ductile iron sleeves with aluminum block
3. (6) special designed freeze plugs
4. Caps installed and line bored complete with top and side bolts and washers
5. Special oil plug
6. Oil check valve
7. Alignment pins for head to deck mounting
8. (10) -18 plugs
9. Completely tested shipping crate and skid for protection of the block
10. Traceable serial number imprinted on each block


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dhearn
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posted 01-23-2001 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW heres their web site www.genesis427.com

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TomP
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posted 01-24-2001 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hadn't heard an update on that in a while. Hope it comes to life. The price is a lot more attractive than the available Dove and Shelby blocks
Tom

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jkilroy
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posted 01-25-2001 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the price? How MUCH more attractive?

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Jay Kilroy
68' Fastback GT 390
"No such thing as a cam thats too big"

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TomP
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posted 01-25-2001 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like 1/2 the Dove and 1/3 the Shelby price

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dhearn
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posted 01-25-2001 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AT Columbus I tslked with reps from fe club of america they told me that the cast iron block would be around 2500 and the aluminum would be 3500 i dont know if this is correct or not but it is all the info I could get.
Dennis

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67coupe
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posted 01-26-2001 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 67coupe   Click Here to Email 67coupe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i emailed them and asked about a price they said there would be a price out around the first of april hopefully if things go well . but i think dhern is about right . hope to know soon cuse 427 in the coupe would really piss off a few camaros dont u think.

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87 bronco II on 33's
30 model A currently rustbucket

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dhearn
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posted 01-26-2001 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dream is to build an all aluminum 427 med riser using alum edelbrock heads and intake hydaulic roller cam and lifters around 10:1 comp.ratio
My guess is somewhere around 500 hp and i dont know awesome torque. all this with the 427's high rev capability. and then stuff it into my 69 mach and it will weigh in at the same or less than the 351w that is in it now.
Add this all up and you get big block performance and small block handling and my dream come true. hmmmm where did I leave that extra 10 grand lol maybe someday

[This message has been edited by dhearn (edited 01-26-2001).]

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TomP
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posted 01-27-2001 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i was given a link yesterday to a site that has a Cobra replica company making new blocks at a Polish warplane factory... read this!~

http://www.cobracountry.com/kirkham/home.html

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mellowyellow
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posted 01-28-2001 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mellowyellow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reverse engineering! Read that term yesterday in the paper. Seems the Russians copied the B-29 right down to the smallest rivet and flew it in about 2 years from start to finish. They also did it with Model A trucks that saw duty in WW 11 and the Zis, which was a copy of the American Packard. Looks like the Cobra team is going to cut Carroll a new one! A lot of people hope so!

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-28-2001 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will those blocks have the blessing of FoMoCo and have a FRPP part number? Does anyone know?

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TomP
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posted 01-28-2001 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TomP   Click Here to Email TomP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doubt the Polish ones will...but the Genesis supposedly will be legal ...shhhh don't spread that around.... it will have the factory casting #'s .

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n2oMike
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posted 01-28-2001 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for n2oMike   Click Here to Email n2oMike     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are a couple of links to FE technical forums. Some really good info to be found here!

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/74182

http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/21142

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Mike Burch
66 mustang real street
302 4-speed 289 heads
10.63 @ 129.3
http://www.geocities.com/motorcitymustang/cmml/cmml_mburch.html
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/healey/367

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jkilroy
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posted 01-29-2001 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So why is it that they charge MORE for the aluminum part? God knows it is a lot harder to cast it in iron. And in either case the materials are a wash compared to labor.

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Jay Kilroy
68' Fastback GT 390
"No such thing as a cam thats too big"

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dhearn
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posted 01-29-2001 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work in the powertrain plant at toyota and we make cast iron 4cyl and aluminum v-6 it seems to me that there is a lot more machine work involved with the aluminum block it has to be bored then sleeves pressed in then bored again.

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jkilroy
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posted 01-29-2001 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah yes, I didn't remember the sleeves, but again they are not required. Porsche has been making aluminum cylinder blocks with no sleeves for 10+ years.

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Jay Kilroy
68' Fastback GT 390
"No such thing as a cam thats too big"

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-30-2001 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TOYOTA???????

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dhearn
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posted 01-30-2001 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
TOYOTA???????


Hey a guy has to make a living and No one builds 69 stangs any more

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Ryan Wilke
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posted 01-30-2001 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ryan Wilke   Click Here to Email Ryan Wilke     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hear ya, DHearn...

I used to work for an fella who was American-bred & born. And he screwed me and a bunch of others out of our last few weeks of pay; We got the "just hang in there" speech, then he skipped town....and left us and our suppliers all hanging.

Now I work for Hitachi. We have a Japanese President & about 6 Japanese engineers, the remaining management (~65 folks) are Michigan locals. I've never had to run to the bank on payday for fear that my paycheck wouldn't be any good. To top that off, ALL of the Japanese here drive American (Ford cars or SUVs actually)!! I've learned that A**HOL*S and good people come in every color and discription!
Later,,,, Ryan

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jkilroy
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posted 01-30-2001 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jkilroy   Click Here to Email jkilroy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your DAMN RIGHT! Nissan is going to be getting into the full size truck market and guess where the plant is going to be? Jackson Mississippi, and if they want to employ asians they better ship them in cause they sure ain't there!

As far as cars go, if you want to buy a quality 4 door CAR, not an SUV or truck you are pretty much buying an import.

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Jay Kilroy
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"No such thing as a cam thats too big"

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 01-30-2001 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
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dhearn
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posted 01-30-2001 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dhearn   Click Here to Email dhearn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want you to undrstand I LUV my stang but I drive around 75 miles a day and with gas prices around 1.60 I think you will agree a 69 mach 1 is not the best choice to put gas in or 30000 miles a year so I choose to drive a toyota Camry its a 95 with 160000 miles on the od and i havent done anything to it but brakes and oil it still has original plugs get 30 miles a gallon.

I dont really enjoy the car but I get in it and drag my but to work every day it starts and runs everytime I turn the key

BUT I do enjoy driving so when I want to enjoy myself I will be able to climb in the mustang push the accel pedal to the floor and hang on. Feel the power that you wont find in but a few american NEW cars and No japaneese cars

JUST my perspective

LUV THAT STANG
Dennis Hearn

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Moneymaker
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posted 01-31-2001 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ryan!!!!! Speaking of races, creeds, and colors......any news on Abdul's Edmore Inn or his potato farmers competition up your way. I really don't want to smell curry for 4 days while we're in Stanton.

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posted 02-03-2001 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ryan?

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posted 02-05-2001 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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