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craigber
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posted 11-02-2000 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for craigber   Click Here to Email craigber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi guys,

have a vague understanding of the PCV system on my 351C but would like to actually understand more about the theory and how it affects power, gas economy, emmissions, etc. have recently disconnected the hose from passenger side rocker cover (used to go to old air cleaner) and added a K&N breather...would like to know if this is best setup or not...what is the optimal setup?? like factory or did they dumb it down for various reasons like emmissions, etc.


thanks

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-02-2000 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Craig, first off hook it back up. I'll try to simplify it's main premise. The PVC systems were designed to help evacuate crankcase vapors from the engine. This was accomplished by installing a valve that would send the vapors to the intake manifold under certain vaccum conditions only. This accomlished two things. One, to relive crankcase pressure for better sealing, and two, to burn unwanted potentialy toxic vapors in the combustion chamber instead of allowing them into the atmoshere. It was Detroits first attempt at emissions control. Alex

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steve'66
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posted 11-03-2000 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To add to what Alex said,

The pcv valve closes during high manifold vacuum conditions while the engine is idling. (otherwise you would have a big vacuum leak at idle) When the rpms increase, the manifold vacuum drops and the pcv valve opens to evacuate the fumes and pressure from the crankcase and into the intake manifold. The breather on the opposite valve cover is ok, it lets air into the crankcase while the pcv pulls air from the crankcase. The hose that originally connected to the air cleaner, served the same purpose (supplying fresh air to the crankcase). Hope this simplistic explanation helps.

SteveW

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craigber
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posted 11-03-2000 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for craigber   Click Here to Email craigber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the info...

my pcv is hooked up...it runs from the oil filler cap to the back of my carb for full manifold vacuum...on the other side (passenger) I have the K&N breather which (I assume and Steve confirms) is providing fresh filtered air to the crankcase...I think I am OK, just wanted to make sure...

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Moneymaker
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posted 11-03-2000 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moneymaker   Click Here to Email Moneymaker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Steve for adding what I left out. That's one of the things that I love most about M&M. Somebody's always got your back! Alex

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steve'66
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posted 11-03-2000 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No sweat Alex, glad to help!

SteveW

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460-67Stang
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posted 02-26-2001 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 460-67Stang   Click Here to Email 460-67Stang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope it's OK to bring up an older post gang! My question is about the "PVC" setups that you see where both valve covers have hoes running directly to the exhaust pipes. Mr. Gasket sells a kit to install this. What's the purpose and advantage, if any, over stock?

Thanks!
Brian

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steve'66
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posted 02-26-2001 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow,

Dejevu (sp?) I thought this was too familiar. LOL

I see the exhaust crancase ventalation systems on rails and trailered cars at the track. I know that they use vacuum from the exhaust flow to suck the fumes from the crankcase into the hot exhaust gases. I'll step aside while the racers answer your real question. (which, I think is; where does the air (or the excess air) that is being evacuated come from?)

It's a cool system for a strip only car.

SteveW

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steve'66
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posted 02-26-2001 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for steve'66   Click Here to Email steve'66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone remember road draft tubes? (thanks Mike!) My first car, had a draft tube connected to the crankcase, instead of a pcv valve. The suction created by air moving across the end of the tube under the car evacuated the fumes from the crankcase. Environmentally freindly, no. And it created a nice oil slick under the car if you had a ring problem. We have come a long way!

SteveW

(edited w/ Mike's help!)

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kcode
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posted 02-26-2001 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brian,
I think what you are describing is called the Evacupan? This is for racing only. It operates for the same purpose. What it does is to vent crankcase fumes to the exhaust headers. As the exhaust passes the port openings it creates a vacuum and "sucks" the fumes to the exhaust and out to the atmosphere. You would never pass a sniffer test if you drive it on the street with this setup.

Mike

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kcode
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posted 02-26-2001 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kcode   Click Here to Email kcode     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steve, I think Ford called them road draft tubes. My 63 big block had one. In fact, the tripower intake on Becks convertible has the provisions for one, a plate on the rear of the intake covers a hole for a wire mesh filter basket.

Mike

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SteveLaRiviere
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posted 02-27-2001 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SteveLaRiviere   Click Here to Email SteveLaRiviere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by steve'66:
your real question. (which, I think is; where does the air (or the excess air) that is being evacuated come from?)

Engine blowby. Combustion gases going past the piston rings.

Some of the race cars now are even using vacuum pumps to suck out blowby gases. There's horsepower to be had if the pistons are not pushing against crankcase pressure on the way down the bores.

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