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Topic: 351C oil pan?
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 01-18-2001 10:40 AM
 
I am going to be doing some work on the ole cat pretty soon. I am debating on whether to just install a windage tray or install a complete new oil pan, something like the Moroso Stage 1 Eliminator pan, that includes baffles, crank scraper, and windage tray. I know that a different oil pan will require a new pickup. Do I need a new oil pump at that time as well? The reason I ask this question is that I have seen some pumps for sale with the pickup welded to to it. I am trying to do this all on a tight budget, but am flexible. The car is a weekend or nice day street strip car. Thanks for your help,
Tom ------------------
1991 F150, 4X4, lift, 35's, 4.9l
1991 Mustang LX 5.0L, AOD
1970 Cougar, 351C-4v, C6
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Bracketracer
Journeyman Posts: 53
From: Sakatoon Sask; Canada
Registered: JAN 2001
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posted 01-18-2001 01:17 PM
In the big picture, an oil pump is important to you enjoying years and years with your ride. Looking at the cost of a oil pump, and the hassel to redo everything to put one in. I would vote for "put in a new one while your there". Just my two cents------------------
I will race anything with a motor
http://members.home.net/bracketracer/bracketracer.htm
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 01-18-2001 01:17 PM
I just bought a Canton road race pan a while ago for my 351C at the suggestion of Alex. It was the best $450 I've spent in a long while.That included pan, windage tray and studs, and pick up tube. The inside of the pan has a beautiful diamond screen set up. In my opinion, if you plan to turn your 351C over 6000, you need a good pan. Whether to change your oil pump depends on it's condition. Cleveland pick up are screwed on, so the are not normally tack welded on. ------------------
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
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Ryan Wilke
Gearhead Posts: 2047
From: Stanton, Michigan 49707
Registered: OCT 2000
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posted 01-18-2001 02:04 PM
Tom:
I'd vote with the Bracketracer's and, "put in a new one while your there".
It isn't THAT much more $$ and when it quits working - most of the time other things which cost much more than a oil pump also quit working in a hurry! Good Luck!
Ryan  ------------------
The '3-Pedal Attitude' Kid
in a '69 FB w/ 306 now, but
the 460+ is coming... :D
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 01-18-2001 04:22 PM
Thanks guys!Now to find the part numbers- Steve, I think it was you that posted a list of the part numbers from when you bought your goodies. I tried using the search function but didn't come up with what I wanted. Could you repost those numbers, please??? Thanks again,
Tom
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TomP
Gearhead Posts: 5626
From: Delta BC Canada
Registered: DEC 99
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posted 01-18-2001 05:20 PM
I always build my owns pans...a lot cheaper that way A baffle to keep oil from sloshing rearward is needed. you wouldn't run both a windage tray and a crank scraper, i prefer a scraper myself but a windage tray is easier to fit. I also prefer pans with a deep narrow sump to keep oil near the pickup ... think of it this way ,drinking a milkshake out of a glass or off a plate?  The 351C pickup screws in,but i've also seen them turn out 1/4 turn and out of the oil,a tack weld or a brace off the pump cover bolts to prevent this is wise.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 01-19-2001 01:26 PM
I'll look for my catalog, tomslo. I agree with these guys, $40 for a new oil pump is cheap insurance. TomP is right about the pick-ups. Although when I screw them on, they sure turn hard when they are getting into position. ------------------
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 01-19-2001 01:27 PM
Also, the Canton pan has a neat trap door baffle surrounding the pick-up.------------------
'72 Mustang Sprint Coupe 351C 4V/FMX/4.30 Trac Loc
'94 F-150 XL 5.8L/E4OD/3.55 Limited Slip
'97 Probe GTS 2.5L Disposable Commuter
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Dave_C
Gearhead Posts: 948
From: Gadsden, Al
Registered: AUG 99
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posted 01-20-2001 12:29 AM
Just something to add:Get a new oil pump, it's worth the peace of mind. But there is one other option. The last time I had my engine out to freshen it I was going to put a new pump in. Always do that. But I had two other pumps with not very much use on them. Instead of buying a new pump I sent one of the used (a Melling pump) ones and had it blueprinted. Sent it to :
http://www.claysmithcams.com/oilpumps.asp Not that much more than a brand new pump. Plus I am more likely to trust a blueprinted used pump than a new assembly line pump that was assembled by unknown assembly line workers. The pump had a turnaround time of 3 days and was almost a work of art. Also the pressure was exactly where I wanted it. Later, David Cole
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 01-23-2001 10:13 PM
I have a Canton cataloge and price sheet in hand. What's the application? 70 Cougar with a 351C? ------------------
Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
Fleet of FoMoCo products
Moneymaker Bio
US Class Nationals link
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 01-24-2001 08:29 AM
Yep, Alex, that's the one!Thanks,
Tom
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 01-25-2001 01:48 PM
Here you go Tom. Part number is 15-710 for the street high capacity "T" pan and 15-711 for the pick up. List price is $400 and cost is $250 for the pan. $56 and $35 for the pick up. The road race pan like Steve has is part number 15-730 and 15-731 for the pick up. They are priced at $520 list $325 cost, and $64 and $40. Well worth the money whichever one you choose. ------------------
Alex Denysenko Co-Administrator and Moderator NHRA/IHRA/SRA member
Fleet of FoMoCo products
Moneymaker Bio
US Class Nationals link
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