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Topic: Been gone dyno testing for two days and.....
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-15-2000 08:13 PM
 
boy, have I got some stories to tell you! Sorry that I forgot to let you all know and missed last night's chat room. More later.  Alex------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-15-2000 11:36 PM
Sooooooo, you guys think that you know something about 351 Clevelands huh??? Well think about this overnight: Stock two bolt main block, 11 to 1 compression, 73 4v OC heads, Strip Dominator intake with single 850, my favorite Comp roller and a little of this, and a little of that get's you 625 HP @7500 RPM. More tomorrow........... Alex------------------
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 08:43 AM
It's tomorrow, where's the numbers????  I am always ready to see some Cleveland tech. Mmm, strip Dominator, just got done looking at mine lying there on the floor before I came in to work this morning. ------------------
1991 F150, 4X4, lift, 35's, 4.9l
1991 Mustang LX 5.0L, AOD
1970 Cougar, 351C-4v, C6
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 02:16 PM
Alex, is that the CompCam you recommended for mine a while ago? {32-771-8 roller}Open chamber heads? ------------------
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Nos351C
Gearhead Posts: 3000
From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591
Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 02:28 PM
Hmm.. what are the specs on that roller? ( I can't find my comp catalog)
how do a strip dominator and a torker compare?
would you have found more power with closed heads?
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Marcus
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 03:42 PM
This is the one I'm talking about:
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COMPETITION CAMS CAMSHAFT SPECIFICATION SHEET PART # 32-771-8
GRIND NUMBER: FC 288R-10
ENGINE: FORD 351C - 400M
INTAKE EXHAUST
VALVE ADJUSTMENT .020 .020
GROSS VALVE LIFT .623 .623
.015 TAPPET LIFT 288 288
VALVE TIMING OPEN CLOSE
AT .015 INT 38 BTDC 70 ABDC
EXH 78 BBDC 30 ATDC
THESE SPECS ARE FOR CAM INSTALLED
AT 106 INTAKE CENTER LINE
INTAKE EXHAUST
DURATION AT .050 244 244
LOBE LIFT .3666 .3666
LOBE SEPARATION 110
THIS CAM SHOULD USE SPRING # 929-16*********************************************
Is this what you used, Alex? TELL ME!!!!
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SteveLaRiviere/Webmaster -- MCA # 47773 Have rice for dinner, not transportation! ------------------
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 04:10 PM
Aaaaaaargh! The suspense is killing me!!!Show me the numbers! Nos351C-
The Strip Dominator is better than the Torker for pure power output. In an old(94?-I've got the issue at home)Super Ford magazine, there was a Cleveland intake shootout. The Torker came in third(480 hp), the Blue Thunder 4145 was second(490 hp) and the Strip Dominator was first(498 hp). The Strip Dominators are out of production and go used for more than a new Torker. Good luck with using either intake.
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 05:05 PM
Alex is like that. I bet when he was a kid, he was always the one with the bag of candy.  ------------------
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6006
From: middle of NC
Registered: OCT 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 05:26 PM
Well Alex now you've got my attention whether you like it or not. I do know a "little" about them, but not near as much as you obviously. So ..... now about that cam... And what is a little of this........
and a little of that........
Well............
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73STANG
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Lincoln, NE
Registered: APR 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 05:34 PM
I have a feeling that a little of this and a little of that add up to allot.
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6006
From: middle of NC
Registered: OCT 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 05:54 PM
Yeah it adds up to 625 HP. The anticipation is exhausting........
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Nos351C
Gearhead Posts: 3000
From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591
Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 06:13 PM
Thanx tomslo,
I knew it was better just not by how much, thanx------------------
Marcus
End racism...kill everyone
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jkilroy
Gearhead Posts: 1808
From: Vicksburg, MS
Registered: DEC 99
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posted 11-16-2000 06:27 PM
Steel rods?------------------
Jay Kilroy
68' Fastback GT 390
"No such thing as a cam thats too big"
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steve'66
Gearhead Posts: 8754
From: Sonoma,CA,USA
Registered: MAR 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 06:42 PM
Boy Alex,You've got all the Cleveland guys going like a pack of hounds at feeding time! Are you trying to teach grasshoppers patience. LMAO And oh ok I'm curious too SteveW
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Nos351C
Gearhead Posts: 3000
From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591
Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 07:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by SteveLaRiviere:
Alex is like that. I bet when he was a kid, he was always the one with the bag of candy.
I'll bet he used to steal Tony's bag of candy ------------------
Marcus
End racism...kill everyone
Some people are alive only because it's against the law to kill them (credit SteveW)
If you must burn our flag, please wrap yourself in it first.
If you don't like the way I drive, get off the sidewalk! [This message has been edited by Nos351C (edited 11-16-2000).]
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mustangs68
Moderator Posts: 21889
From: Buckroe Beach Va MCA#39406 M&M #12 Member Mustang Club of Tidewater
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 07:26 PM
He does this every time
It why I like him so much!!!Come on Alex..these C-boys are going crazy!
OK..line up..the Prozac coming
sam
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 07:40 PM
Screw the Prozac, I want the horsepower!!! ------------------
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73STANG
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Lincoln, NE
Registered: APR 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 09:01 PM
I don't know if I can take this much longer.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 10:07 PM
OK guys,  Here goes. It's a 351C 2 bolt block that has been filled partially. It's been precision bored .030 and fitted with off the shelf J&E pistons. It has a 3.75 stroked cast crank with 6.00 length rods. It was all zero balanced. The cam is a Comp roller that is 270-276 @ .050 and .648 .641 lift. Part number 32-645-5. It was installed at 105 CL. The heads are '73 open chambers that have been very mildly intake match ported ONLY! NO BOWL WORK! A superior valve job and premium quality stainless Victory valves. Comp stainless steel rockers are used for longevity. The afore mentioned Holley Strip Dominator intake and 850 DP carb. MSD distributor with a #7 box, AF-22 Motorcraft plugs and Holley wires. A Canton road race pan,(like Steve's) Melling HV oil pump, FRPP HD shaft and Castrol 5w30 oil. Except for the oil pan, it could pass for a stock 351C with an air cleaner on it. This combination makes 619 to 625 HP @ 7500 RPM and idles like a street car. It is going into a Pantera that is vintage raced. So much for all of the super high tech "Star Wars" 351C stuff huh? More "dyno tales" tomorrow. Alex------------------
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Amherst
Gearhead Posts: 255
From: Amherst, WI, USA
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 10:28 PM
Great timing. I was just reading an issue of Hot Rod last night that completely ripped on the Cleveland. I was wondering where the writer got his info. Probably from a Chevy guy who has never touched a Cleveland. God I hate the bias!! Here you guys are having real world results and success, and this pin head is spouting the party line. Sure, maybe a bone stock Cleveland doesn't produce as many ponies as some other engines. He never once talked about the potential of the engine that Alex will talk about IF HE HURRIES UP!!!!
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Amherst
Gearhead Posts: 255
From: Amherst, WI, USA
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 10:30 PM
Sorry Alex.... I was spouting while you were posting!
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73STANG
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Lincoln, NE
Registered: APR 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 10:38 PM
Very impressive. But is that cam really that streatable? I wonder what you would do with closed chamber heads and more compression.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-16-2000 10:43 PM
A-N-Y roller cam is streetable! Alex------------------
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73STANG
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Lincoln, NE
Registered: APR 2000
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posted 11-16-2000 10:49 PM
That's nice to know. Where would you put your money in a Cleveland? A 377 or 393 stroker kit or a 351 .030 over and a nice roller cam?
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 11-17-2000 08:40 AM
Thanks Alex! Those are certainly great numbers. Plenty of good information, and shows just how easy it is to make power with stock parts, especially those "old outdated" Clevelands. Did those '73 heads have the small intake or the regular 2.19 intake?
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-17-2000 10:36 AM
To make a "BAD mofo" Cleavland, I would go with the stroker and roller camshaft. The valves used were 2.19 intakes. Alex------------------
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tomslo
Gearhead Posts: 319
From: Jefferson City, MO
Registered: AUG 2000
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posted 11-17-2000 11:19 AM
Hmmm, there is a 383" Cleveland stroker on the Corral auction block. Lemme see here, there is a set of 73 heads in the garage, along with a Strip Dominator. Wow, look at all these boxes with all new valvetrain goodies. Nope, no roller cam, just a hydraulic flat tappet. Guess that will have to do, along with no stroker  I know I won't get close to 625 hp, but it will be fun! What other tips and tricks you got for us Cleveland guys?
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
From: Saco, Maine
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-17-2000 03:40 PM
COMPETITION CAMS CAMSHAFT SPECIFICATION SHEET
PART # 32-645-5
GRIND NUMBER: FC 310B-6
ENGINE: FORD 351C - 400M
INTAKE EXHAUST
VALVE ADJUSTMENT .022 .024
GROSS VALVE LIFT .648 .641
.020 TAPPET LIFT 310 314
VALVE TIMING OPEN CLOSE
AT .020 INT 49 BTDC 81 ABDC
EXH 83 BBDC 51 ATDC
THESE SPECS ARE FOR CAM INSTALLED
AT 106 INTAKE CENTER LINE
INTAKE EXHAUST
DURATION AT .050 270 276
LOBE LIFT .3750 .3710
LOBE SEPARATION 106
THIS CAM SHOULD USE SPRING # 928-16********************************************* So this cam is bigger on the intake than the exhaust. Interesting! Would you say the quench heads be good for an extra 30-40 hp? ------------------
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6006
From: middle of NC
Registered: OCT 2000
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posted 11-17-2000 04:02 PM
My book must be wrong . It shows that grind as a solid, not a roller.
How much better would that grind be in my 13 -1 motor over my Lunati? It is 264in 272 exh @.050, .650 lift on both, 104 int c/l, with 108 sep.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-17-2000 05:49 PM
OOPS  sorry, wrong part number, but the specs are correct. I think that the closed chamber heads would be worth 15 to 20 HP for certain Steve. Alex------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
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posted 11-17-2000 05:53 PM
Steve, for your set up I like the one that I recomended for you better since you do (or won't?) have the extra inches. Kid, this cam would wake your stuff up some over the Lunati grind. Alex------------------
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SteveLaRiviere
Administrator Posts: 42139
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posted 11-17-2000 06:04 PM
I may take you up on that, Alex. I really like the idea of a roller. You still think that cam would be ok with my power brakes and automatic, huh?------------------
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kid vishus
Gearhead Posts: 6006
From: middle of NC
Registered: OCT 2000
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posted 11-17-2000 08:52 PM
Alex, what is the correct #, I can't find a roller grind anything like that in my catalog.
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Nos351C
Gearhead Posts: 3000
From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591
Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 11-18-2000 04:09 PM
I don't suppose anyone happens to have a roller cam and lifter set (for a C) they want to sell cheaply do they?? ------------------
Marcus
End racism...kill everyone
Some people are alive only because it's against the law to kill them (credit SteveW)
If you must burn our flag, please wrap yourself in it first.
If you don't like the way I drive, get off the sidewalk! [This message has been edited by Nos351C (edited 11-18-2000).]
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-19-2000 11:15 AM
Steve, absolutely. Marcus.....maybe . KV, I'll get it for you today. Alex------------------
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73STANG
Journeyman Posts: 76
From: Lincoln, NE
Registered: APR 2000
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posted 11-19-2000 05:08 PM
Anybody have a Strip Dominator intake that they would like to get rid of? I'll start with that and work my way to the roller cam.
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I65Stang
Gearhead Posts: 6217
From: Folsom, CA
Registered: JUN 99
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posted 11-19-2000 05:31 PM
Lol, while we are asking for stuff tell your friend that I will pay for crating and shipping charges to take that engine off his hands Alex . I am still in awe of the results with the 351C, wonder what it would take (other than $$$) to get similar results from a 351W.------------------
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Nos351C
Gearhead Posts: 3000
From: Rohnert Park, CA USA M&M member#591
Registered: JUL 2000
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posted 11-19-2000 06:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moneymaker:
Steve, absolutely. Marcus.....maybe . KV, I'll get it for you today. Alex
soo... What kinda maybe are we duscussing? a good maybe? or a bad maybe? shoot me an email ------------------
Marcus
End racism...kill everyone
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If you must burn our flag, please wrap yourself in it first.
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-20-2000 11:44 AM
Maybe I have some used 351C roller cams laying around Marcus. Alex------------------
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Moneymaker
Administrator Posts: 25052
From: Lyons, IL, USA
Registered: MAY 99
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posted 11-21-2000 12:02 PM
I'll go through my invenmtory of 351C roller cams today and post the specs. I have two or three for certain that have dyno time only on them. They are all custom grinds and have no cataloge part number. As for a 351W killer deal that should warrant a new thread don't ya think? Alex------------------
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